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re: Does an undefeated record really mean much in boxing?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:05 pm to Marciano1
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:05 pm to Marciano1
quote:That's simply not true. Maybe Mayweather would've won, maybe not. But there was a pretty even divide among boxing experts on who would have won that fight. So, to say it would've been a no-brainer is just false.
Anyone with a boxing IQ of .5 knows that Floyd would have punished Pacquiao.
To address the OP, yes. Obviously, an undefeated record means something. That's why so few boxers have one. It's also important to consider the level of a fighter's competition. For instance, Canelo Alvarez and Mayweather have similar records, but Canelo's only fought 3 (give or take) strong opponents, whereas Mayweather's been fighting the best for years (with one glaring exception). So, record matters, and level of competition matters.
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Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:12 pm to Marciano1
quote:If any style has/had a chance of beating Mayweather, I think it would be Pacquiao's. Sure, Pac's tougher fights have been against counter punchers, but he usually wins those fights too.
Floyd is no ordinary fighter and neither is PAC....but styles make fights and this one was all wrong for PAC.
But like Mayweather says, "There's no blueprint of how to beat Floyd Mayweather."
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:17 pm to CajunFootball
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An Marciano is the best.
I read this an thought about the barbershop scene in coming to america.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:30 pm to tduecen
Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest "pound for pound" fighter in history. Marciano is one of the all time greats, it's hard to discount Rocky.
I believe Mayweather is the better fighter. He wasn't going to fight Pac without Olympic style steroid testing. Mosley was the one who told him not to fight Pac without the test. Realistically, I've never heard of a fighter becoming a power puncher in their 30's?
I believe Mayweather is the better fighter. He wasn't going to fight Pac without Olympic style steroid testing. Mosley was the one who told him not to fight Pac without the test. Realistically, I've never heard of a fighter becoming a power puncher in their 30's?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:50 pm to Interception
JMO - the more a fighter harps about testing his opponents the more likely he is juicing himself.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 5:49 pm to Marciano1
PAC woulda killed fairy weather which is why he ducked him.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 5:53 pm to Marciano1
quote:I am 99% certain this is a matter of opinion. #1. Boxing is a fight so there is no telling who may land that knock out punch. #2. While Manny struggled with fighters similar to Mayweather he has also destroyed fighters with a similar style, so unless they got in ring no one knows for sure what would happen. So anyone with a boxing IQ of .5 would understand this and not rush to such judgments and generalizations. Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson is a prime example which I used earlier
Anyone with a boxing IQ of .5 knows that Floyd would have punished Pacquiao. Some of you really need to take boxing 101
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:18 pm to Marciano1
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Floyd would have countered PAC til he couldn't take any more punishment.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:30 pm to Tactical1
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Mayweather has ducked and dodged the best competition out there and would only fight them when they were way past their prime.
This. Mayweather is not even in the conversation of greatest ever.
Roy Jones Jr was much more impressive in his prime. A lot more impressive to the point of not even being a debate. Roy was 49-1, with his only defeat being a DQ because he hit a guy that dropped to one knee after Roy had pounded him into submission. And Roy had won 5 belts all the way up to the Heavyweight Belt from the man who beat Holyfield.
Roy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mayweather.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:32 pm to tduecen
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While Manny struggled with fighters similar to Mayweather he has also destroyed fighters with a similar style
Oh really? Please provide names.
Pacquiao has NEVER faced a fighter like Floyd. Never. He doesn't know the first thing about fighting defensive, slick, speed fighters.
Pac's whole career has been fighting aggressive brawlers.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:32 pm to CajunFootball
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It's much better to fight the best and lose on occasion then to win only because you can out gun the rest.
Perfectly put. Mayweather's ego has prevented him from being in the convo of greatest ever.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:35 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
frick, Roy won the title at light middleweight early in his career (154lbs). Then won middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight, and finally the heavyweight championship.
And he fought all comers and looked for challenges.
And was basically 49-0 without the DQ.
If we are talking great ones, lets talk great ones. Not guys like Mayweather that refuse to face their biggest challengers.
And he fought all comers and looked for challenges.
And was basically 49-0 without the DQ.
If we are talking great ones, lets talk great ones. Not guys like Mayweather that refuse to face their biggest challengers.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:42 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Roy is great and I loved watching him, but like Tyson, he fought A LOT of tomato cans. IMO, that hurts him.
Floyd has been fighting elite competition for a long time, even if we missed some fights or we got them too late.
De La Hoyas resume is way more impressive than RJJ, Tyson, and Pacquiao. The Golden Boy fought everyone, even though there were a lot of BS decisions in most of his big fights.
Floyd has been fighting elite competition for a long time, even if we missed some fights or we got them too late.
De La Hoyas resume is way more impressive than RJJ, Tyson, and Pacquiao. The Golden Boy fought everyone, even though there were a lot of BS decisions in most of his big fights.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:47 pm to tduecen
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Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson is a prime example which I used
yeah but tyson actually won that fight.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:51 pm to diat150
Link?
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In the immediate aftermath of the fight Tyson's camp, led by Don King, protested the result, claiming that Douglas had been given a long count by referee Octavio Meyran. The WBA and WBC initially agreed and suspended recognition of Douglas as champion, although the IBF immediately accepted that the result was valid. After a public outcry and demands from boxing commissions around the world that they acknowledge Douglas as the champion, the protest was withdrawn and Douglas' win was recognized four days after the fight
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:54 pm to Marciano1
Roy fought and beat some greats. Hopkins, Toney, Tarver, Ruiz, Pazienza, Castro, Lucas, Johnson, Gonzalez, Trinidad, and so on.
We could compare fighter by fighter, but I'll put Roy's competition up against Mayweather ANYTIME.
People ducked Roy and would not fight him. No one ducks Mayweather.
Not only did Roy win 5 belts in 5 weightclasses, he won 10 major world titles and is the only light middleweight in boxing history to win the HW belt. And he did it relatively recently, not in the 1920's.
Roy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mayweather...
We could compare fighter by fighter, but I'll put Roy's competition up against Mayweather ANYTIME.
People ducked Roy and would not fight him. No one ducks Mayweather.
Not only did Roy win 5 belts in 5 weightclasses, he won 10 major world titles and is the only light middleweight in boxing history to win the HW belt. And he did it relatively recently, not in the 1920's.
Roy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mayweather...
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Former Heavyweight Champion George Foreman said Jones, "hits like a heavyweight and moves like a lightweight."
Boxer Montell Griffin, who faced Jones twice at 175 lbs and sparred with Floyd Mayweather Jr. at 140 lbs said, "Floyd was no comparison as far as speed. Roy was much faster."
In 1996, High Frequency Boxing's John DiMaio wrote ``The early evidence points toward the real possibility that Jones is the greatest talent this sport has ever seen. His skill so dwarfs that of his nearest ranked opposition...that providing competitive opponents is a more challenging dilemma than the fights themselves.'` The expert opinion of Boxing magazine's editor, Bert Sugar, is provided on Jones' website: ``He possesses the fastest hands in boxing with lightning fast moves and explosive power in both hands.'` After Mike MacCallum lost the World Boxing Council light heavyweight crown to Roy Jones in a 1996 unanimous decision, he called Jones ``the greatest fighter of all time.'`
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:55 pm to tduecen
buster should have been counted out. anyone can clearly see that if they watch the tape.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:55 pm to Marciano1
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The Golden Boy fought everyone, even though there were a lot of BS decisions in most of his big fights.
No doubt about this. Made me quit liking Oscar when the BS decisions started.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 7:46 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Roy fought and beat some greats. Hopkins, Toney, Tarver, Ruiz, Pazienza, Castro, Lucas, Johnson, Gonzalez, Trinidad, and so on
1. He beat Hopkins before he become B-Hop as we know him.
2. Ruiz is not "one of the greats". He was nothing special but he was much larger than RJJ so it was a big deal.
3. He fought Trinidad when Tito was old and blown up. Roy was old too. This was not impressive by any means even though Don King wanted everyone to think this.
Look at his reign as LHW champ. Most of those wins were against jokers.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 7:47 pm to Marciano1
Dont argue with ocean , he is mentally handicapped when it comes to boxing
Mayweather is tge best counter puncher in the last 20 years
Pac never looked good against a counter puncher. Marquez is a poor mans mayweather.
Everyone saw what money did to marquez
Mayweather is tge best counter puncher in the last 20 years
Pac never looked good against a counter puncher. Marquez is a poor mans mayweather.
Everyone saw what money did to marquez
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