re: Documentary: "League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis"

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This was after the NFL had a big meeting about concussion. I believe it was around 2002. The Dr who did research on Mike Webster and Terry Long's brain was not invited to the meeting. This was after the Dr published 2 articles to the top neurological newsletter in America stating the affects of these linemen bashing their heads during years of playing.

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so

1. the information WAS public, so the NFL couldn't hide it

2. the NFL didn't invite him to their conference, so they were ignorant of his work also

you're destroying a case against the NFL and any argument that they hid anything (or could hide anything, since it was, you know, public)

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There was another collective bargaining meeting years later where a wife of a former player tried to attend in his place because he couldn't feed/cloth himself. Goddell denied her entrance into the meeting.

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that's an issue with the NFLPA and not the NFL

the NFLPA represents players, not the NFL

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The leauge knew of the dangers for years, and their action indicated that they didn't care otherwise.

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the NFLPA also knew (or should have known) of the dangers for years and didn't care

i've asked you this question but you ignored it: who is responsible for protecting the players: the NFL or its union?

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Imagine if Toyota knew about a faulty break system in their cars and refuse to let their customers know about it just to maximize profits. Wouldn't you be appalled?

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this is not applicable

this is a more apt comparison

imagine if Toyota and a company engaged in a long bargaining process for cars. both parties knew that the cars may have problems with the regional terrain of operation of the company, but both parties go ahead with the contract. when the cars break down, the public blames Toyota and ignores the fact that the company not only participated in this bargain, but knew of the issues while bargaining.

You argue just for the sake of it. Just watch the documentary and come back. It's pretty bad.

I have no dog in the fight but 98 percent of documentaries are extremely biased to a certain view, so watching a documentary on this isn't exactly some sort of end all be all to an argument

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Have you seen the documentary? I don't think you watched the doc.

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i already said i haven't watched the doc. i've read many of the legal pleadings and lots of scholarly articles about the law

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If you did, you wouldn't say the NFL was ignorant of his work.

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it was public. why didn't the NFLPA use this work to protect its union members?

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Nfl Drs reviewed his work and asked him to retracted it. Usually only tine a medical gets asked to be retracted is for fraud or plagerism.

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and did he retract it? no. so that point is without merit

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I guess sometimes some people just like to argue for the sake of appearing "smart" even when there evidence and facts against them.

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evidence and facts?

you've failed to answer simple questions. i'll ask again

1. which organization represented the players, the NFL or NFLPA?

2. were the studies publicly available?

the answer to those questions involves "facts" and "evidence" but you have refused to answer them. why?

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the NFL didn't invite him to their conference, so they were ignorant of his work also

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Dude watch the fricking documentary. They were not ignorant to his work. They did everything they possibly could to discredit him for years. Then when he was asked to study Junior Seau's Brain years later they contacted Seau's son and convinced him not to let him study it. This happened literally while the doctor was extracting it.

Regardless of where you stand on the situation there is no way anyone that watches the doc won't realize how fricked up and shady the NFL was/is in the handling of the situation.

ETA, and yes, of course the doc will be slanted one way. However, it doesn't change the facts. Goodell not letting that women into the meeting was appalling. And that happened and is on video. The craziest part is when the NFL docs, even after being presented with all the evidence, were admitting that CTE can be caused by Boxing and steeple chasing but there was no way it could be caused by football.

For e ery expert there is an equal and opposite expert

the documentary obviously left out important elementary information. it seems people would rather be ignorant and use a biased source as the gospel than actually read up on the issues they're discussing (ignorantly)

I remember in 2001(?) when SI did an article about former athletes struggling. Some of the stories were so chilling. Guys who couldn't stand long, hold their daughters, etc.