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Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:27 pm to Zach
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, so either my Dr's lied to me and I didn't take steroids for asthma or I secretly had big muscles and didn't know?
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If steroids didn't work why do ball players use them?
Do you realize how freaking stupid that sound? Ever hear of the placepo affect? They may work, they may not, but simple because people take them isn't proof of anything.
The fact is they DO NOT build muscle on their own. You have to work out and lift weights. You don not just take this magic pill or injection and become a great athlete. People like Barry Bonds or Ben Johnson were already great athletes.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
when McGwire was juicing---in a way watching him hit HRs was comparable to watching Bonds hit HRs----when McGwire hit one---it went further than anyone else. he caught the sweet spot better than most others out there
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:28 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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However, he took greenies, which were considered to be a performance-enhancer, but probably not as significant. I know you will merely brush this aside, but Aaron "cheated" as far as taking performance-enhancers
OK he cheated. Worse than Bonds??? BTW If Ken Griffey jr. TOOK roids he may have NOT had the injuries he did. Where would you put him?????
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:34 pm to dukke v
Morally, the same. I do not know what effect steroids would have had on Griffey because he had some pretty serious injuries, and I really do not know if or how much they would have helped. I rank them Bonds, Aaron, Griffey out of all three.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Really, so either my Dr's lied to me and I didn't take steroids for asthma or I secretly had big muscles and didn't know?
Yeah, your Drs. told you that your asthma medicine was gonna grow you some big biceps. Yep, thassit.
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Do you realize how freaking stupid that sound? Ever hear of the placepo affect? They may work, they may not, but simple because people take them isn't proof of anything.
Oh, I understand now. All these athletes just haven't found out about the placebo effect. That explains why they used steroids.
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The fact is they DO NOT build muscle on their own. You have to work out and lift weights. You don not just take this magic pill or injection and become a great athlete. People like Barry Bonds or Ben Johnson were already great athletes.
You didn't read my posts. Pay attention.\
You can lift weights 10 hours a day and you will reach a limit. Are you understanding me so far?
Then take steroids and you will bust your ceilings beyond your wildest beliefs. But you will pay a price.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:36 pm to yellowtiger
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when McGwire was juicing---in a way watching him hit HRs was comparable to watching Bonds hit HRs----when McGwire hit one---it went further than anyone else. he caught the sweet spot better than most others out there
Basically, you are saying they were just the best power hitters, right? Since so many other players were using steroids, then they were just that outright that good? To me, this just solidifies their career and proves their greatness.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so. AGAIN ITS Aaron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BARRY all day long
that's laughably stupid.
No its not. AGAIN you FAIL thinking about YOUR era player. GO SCREW yourself. I have said Bonds was a great player. Just NOT as good as Aaron. LOOK at ALL the #'s H-TOWN. You are NOT as smart as you think. :rimshot:
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:45 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Didn't he suddenly hit 50 one year?
Yes. And then went back to being above average, at best. I meant using the juice won't turn you from a bad player into a great one for any considerable length (enough for a HoF career).
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:46 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Basically, you are saying they were just the best power hitters, right? Since so many other players were using steroids, then they were just that outright that good? To me, this just solidifies their career and proves their greatness.
Aaron had 3,771 career hits in an era more tilted toward pitchers. He was the better all-around hitter...and the better power hitter. (762 and 755 is apples and oranges).
McGwire had a mediocre career batting average and even his home run numbers weren't that great before he started juicing.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:57 pm to Bestbank Tiger
McGwire was nowhere near the player Aaron was---Aaron has to be recognized for all her did plus he really had no injuries which prevented him playing a full season. McGwire----he did what he did while being an injury plagued player----sorta what would he have done had he not been injured. The impact of steroids on McGwire was not just his HR #s but also in his ability to actually have essentially a few full seasons which was not indicated in his earlier years. All I am saying is that the steroids allowed McGwire to show how good he actually could have been had he not been injured for so often
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:29 pm to yellowtiger
at least in Baseball the refs don't determine the champs. In basketball and even football the refs have a HUGE influence on the game... it's probably the reason MLB sees more small market teams winning the world series despite no salary cap.
when was the last time a market as small as the Florida Marlins or Tampa Bay Rays were in the NBA Finals?
when was the last time a market as small as the Florida Marlins or Tampa Bay Rays were in the NBA Finals?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:34 pm to sgallo3
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when was the last time a market as small as the Florida Marlins
did you just call miami a small market?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Small payroll more like.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:39 pm to BayouBengals03
and i can counter that with: san antonio spurs
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't remember how low they were back then (obviously pretty small), but now they are in the upper half of the league.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:45 pm to sgallo3
I remember suggesting this a long time ago and people pretty much called me an idiot and to stfu. Who the heck knows? Did Cal Ripken use performance enhancers? Playing 2000 something straight games is not natural.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:40 am to UVAandLSU
so because someone does it.. it just shouldn't be possible without steroids? what about the guy before him.. there had to be a record to be broken.. what about lou.. what about babe..
i hate how people just assume someone is on roids. i can maybe understand if there is several smoke about a guy using and he all of a sudden spikes in performance.. and there is unnatural look about someone.. hank and cal both achieved their records by being durable, blessed, fortunate, and sometimes even lucky. why does it have to be any more than that? it doesn't.
hank aaron has one of the most consistent track records i have ever seen from a baseball player.. how about accept the man was greatness.. he had to play a very long time to achieve the records he did, and he was blessed with the durability to play as much as he did.
i guess hank was doing steroids for the entire 20+ yrs in the mlb.. if that's the case; he sure should be paying for that now..
i hate how people just assume someone is on roids. i can maybe understand if there is several smoke about a guy using and he all of a sudden spikes in performance.. and there is unnatural look about someone.. hank and cal both achieved their records by being durable, blessed, fortunate, and sometimes even lucky. why does it have to be any more than that? it doesn't.
hank aaron has one of the most consistent track records i have ever seen from a baseball player.. how about accept the man was greatness.. he had to play a very long time to achieve the records he did, and he was blessed with the durability to play as much as he did.
i guess hank was doing steroids for the entire 20+ yrs in the mlb.. if that's the case; he sure should be paying for that now..
Posted on 4/18/11 at 2:16 am to TexasTiger08
quote:So, I assume you want Bonds and Clemens in the HOF then, correct?
And if you are going to bust Hank for greenies, then you can bust a shitload of NFL HOFers, and a shitload of baseball HOFers from Hank's time
Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:08 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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However, he took greenies, which were considered to be a performance-enhancer,
Everyone took greenies in the 70's. Hell, I had a legion coach who handed them out like candy in the late 70's and early 80's.
BTW, as a kid I saw quite a few major leaguers from the 70's and Aaron was by far the most disappointing I saw play.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 3:11 am
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