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re: Did Curry just have the worst finals for an MVP, ever?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:46 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:46 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:48 pm to shel311
quote:Which is why I think he doesn't play as well in the playoffs/finals.
He shot the 3 ball 4.4% lower in the Finals compared to his league average.
Now what about last year's finals?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:48 pm to shel311
quote:Well he shot better than the average player but a significant amount.
He shot the 3 ball 4.4% lower in the Finals compared to his league average.
League Averages 2016 Finals Statistics
Curry actually shot >4% higher than the league average in the Finals from 3.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:49 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Never said it was the primary reason. I've said over and over and over and over it was just a reason, nothing more/nothing less.
but concluding that it's some primary reason is the problem
quote:So you've never in your life concluded why a team played better or worse after watching a game? Interesting.
I don't know why. I don't know why LeBron played poorly in 2011
quote:Again, I didn't conclude any 1 thing before I concluded any other thing, why are you insinuating I did?
I would think it's better to conclude that it's some plethora of natural basketball reasons (like when any player plays poorly) BEFORE coming to some conclusion that it's related to an injury, illness, etc
quote:Cool, I never said that either. That's 3 times now you've misrepresented me. To be honest, I think I can conclude that shows your bias in this situation, considering I can't count how many times I've said it was "a" factor, nothing more/nothing less.
But I'm not going to accept he WAS injured and it WAS the reason he played poorly
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:52 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:He's the best shooter we've ever seen, I never insinuated the injury turned him into DWade from 3. What's your exact argument with league average, i don't get it?
Well he shot better than the average player but a significant amount. League Averages 2016 Finals Statistics Curry actually shot >4% higher than the league average in the Finals from 3.
And also, why in the world would you compare him to league average and not his average? That makes no sense IMO.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:53 pm to shel311
quote:I surely wouldn't argue an absolute conclusion other than he just played poorly.
So you've never in your life concluded why a team played better or worse after watching a game? Interesting.
quote:But you concluded something without any objective evidence of it.
Again, I didn't conclude any 1 thing before I concluded any other thing, why are you insinuating I did?
That's fine, but it's completely counter to what you argue AGAINST all the time. My problem is your hypocrisy. If this was boom, I would just consider it par for the course.
quote:What? I just said that is a conclusion I'm not making.
That's 3 times now you've misrepresented me.
You've concluded it as a reason. I'm not ready to conclude it as a factor until I have evidence that it was a factor.
I'm not saying that you think it's the ONLY reason, but we don't have much evidence, besides poor play, that it was a reason AT ALL.
Again. It may have been, but it's possible he just played like crap, injury or not.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:56 pm to shel311
quote:Well I thought you said league average when I looked it up BUT this trend is consistent for Curry.
He's the best shooter we've ever seen, I never insinuated the injury turned him into DWade from 3. What's your exact argument with league average, i don't get it?
And also, why in the world would you compare him to league average and not his average? That makes no sense IMO.
In the last four years of the playoffs compared to the regular season Curry shot from 3:
5.7% lower in 2013
5.7% lower in 2014
2.1% lower in 2015
5.0% lower in 2016
Why did his shooting drop in those other years?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:00 pm to Boomshockalocka
This thread is amazing. The Cavs winning shut up a lot of people and nobody wants to argue anymore with these three or four guys, so it was inevitable they would turn on each other.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:01 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Let me try it this way...all of the posts we've seen talking about how great CLE's defense was in slowing down Curry, how many of those posts did you call out and ask to prove in the same way you're doing with me?
But you concluded something without any objective evidence of it.
Maybe you've made double digit posts doing so, and if so, I admire your consistency. I just haven't seen it.
quote:You made 3 statements insinuating what my take was, and all 3 insinuated something more than simply "it was a reason"
What?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:02 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:BOOM. Eat it shel!
5.7% lower in 2013
5.7% lower in 2014
2.1% lower in 2015
5.0% lower in 2016
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:frick you!
BOOM. Eat it shel!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry I crossed the li...Eat shite!!!
I'm sorry, sorry again.
Mother fricker!!!
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:07 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:So what you are saying is, we made their arse quit?
This thread is amazing. The Cavs winning shut up a lot of people and nobody wants to argue anymore with these three or four guys
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:08 pm to shel311
You lose! I win! I'm the best. You're like 8th best. Suuuuuck it loser.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:09 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Steph Curry shooting at the rim:
5.7% lower in 2013 5.7% lower in 2014 2.1% lower in 2015 5.0% lower in 2016
2013 - 58% regular season/67% playoffs
2014 - 63% regular season/64% playoffs
2015 - 69% regular season/70% playoffs
2016 - 70% regular season/54% playoffs
One of those is not like the other.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:13 pm to shel311
quote:
One of those is not like the other.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:15 pm to shel311
quote:Well we can at least objectively analyze the defense, unlike the injury argument, absent actual medical information. Even then, he shot well while guarded, almost paradoxically; I just think he played poorly, for whatever reason, and this was evident in his his atypically poor decision-making.
Let me try it this way...all of the posts we've seen talking about how great CLE's defense was in slowing down Curry, how many of those posts did you call out and ask to prove in the same way you're doing with me?
The injury argument is purely centered around something that we can't objectively analyze, unless we get some actual medical information.
That's my problem with the argument, even if it is a possibility. It's an unwinnable argument so I don't know why you of all people keep arguing it.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:24 pm to shel311
quote:And he clearly regressed here. His greatest regression may be in his lost ball turnovers too.
Steph Curry shooting at the rim:
On the at rim shooting, the Cavs were below average at guarding the rim, yet the entire Warrior team failed to attack the rim and settled for threes. That was a schematic error irrespective of injury.
In fact, while Curry's drop-off was the most significant, this was fairly prevalent across the GSW team.
At the rim:
Klay shot 7.5% worse
Draymond shot 4.3% worse
Livingston shot 13.4% worse
Iggy shot 1.9% worse
Bogust shot 2.6% worse
Ezeli shot 3.1% worse
Speights shot 9.6% worse
Barbosa (2.5%) and Barnes (1.1%) were the only two players who shot better at the rim.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:54 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
Curry says he's not injured, His coach says he's not injured, Shel's up in here saying "You can't prove he's not injured".
It's fascinating what the media can do.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:06 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:Yep.
It's fascinating what the media can do.
shel311?
More like sheep311
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