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re: Deshaun Watson has allegedly quietly talked with teammates on requesting a trade

Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:41 pm to
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The Superbowl was played in Houston in 2017 where the Failcons blew the 28-3 lead to the Patriots.



What about it? Matt Ryan is a perfect kind of QB for that system.

Watson could have success as well in that system I just don’t think that system highlights his strengths as a QB and I don’t think it raises his ceiling much as a QB
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:29 pm to
Just got the ESPN alert that apparently he’s pissed because they didn’t consider who he wanted for gm.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:30 pm to
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Just got the ESPN alert that apparently he’s pissed because they didn’t consider who he wanted for gm.
frick em. Didn’t realize the QB does the hiring. These athletes are getting pathetic. You want to hire a GM or coach buy a damn team.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
25206 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:49 pm to
He didn’t expect them to hire the candidate he wanted, he just wanted them to talk to the candidates he liked.

This is Cal McNair’s frick up as usual. You don’t tell your franchise quarterback that they’ll consult him in the process, and then do the exact fricking opposite.
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#Texans QB Deshaun Watson is extremely unhappy with the organization after owner Cal McNair informed him he would be involved in the GM and coach hiring process and provide feedback… but then did neither in the hire of GM Nick Caserio, sources say.


All that being said, if the Texans trade Watson, I’m done with the franchise.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 6:50 pm
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:54 pm to
I think it’s funny how people dump on Wentz for the Eagles struggles despite them not having an offensive line and have no offensive weapon of note play in every game this season and yet Watson didn’t have anywhere near the issues with his supporting cast and people are knighting for him.

One of those guys was a legit MVP candidate and the other is Kirk Cousins with more melanin.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:58 pm to
Wentz has never had a season as good as Watsons this year, but ok.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112354 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:07 pm to
Don’t feed the troll
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:17 pm to
He threw up empty stats on a team that went nowhere. Half of his wins were against the Jaguars. Y’all are too caught on what the numbers are rather than the how/why.

Can you win a championship with Watson as your starting QB? Absolutely. But you will never make a Super Bowl with him being the catalyst. He’s not in that Mahomes/Rodgers/Allen tier. He’s not in the Tannehill/Jackson/Wilson/Brady/Dak category either. He’s in the Cousins/Wentz/Goff/Carr/Jimmy GQ/Stafford tier where he’s good enough that are you aren’t looking to get rid of him, but he’s definitely not that next level guy who can take a mediocre roster and put them in the playoffs or take an above average roster and make them Super Bowl champions.

His contract is the worst in football right now. And yes I am aware of Wentz’s, and he has the second worst.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:43 pm to
Agree to disagree

I think Watson is actually improving instead of regressing or remaining static.

I, unfortunately have watched the majority of Texans games this year, and he’s getting better, and it’s noticeable from year to year.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 7:45 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:54 pm to
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Just got the ESPN alert that apparently he’s pissed because they didn’t consider who he wanted for gm


Didn't realize this was the NBA
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:58 pm to
Dude that’s just a very bad take. You clearly have not watched many of Watson’s games. Watson is absolutely a top 10 QB...arguably top 5. He literally has one of the worst O-lines, has no running game, his best wr this season was Brandin Cooks, and had a defense that was one of the worst in the league. Watson absolutely balled out this year considering all this and coaching decisions literally lost them at least 4 games they should have won.
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:00 pm to
When you read the full story from Schefter it’s not really like that. Cal McNair told him he valued his input for GM and coach hire and then didn’t even consult with Watson before hiring a GM...the way he found out was through Twitter. Anyone would be paused if their boss told them they valued your input on something and then didn’t follow through with that.

I live in Houston but wouldn’t necessarily call myself a Texans fan...but I try to care about them since they are the local team. They’re management is so dysfunctional it makes it hard to even casually care about them.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 8:02 pm
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:21 pm to
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Agree to disagree

I think Watson is actually improving instead of regressing or remaining static.

I, unfortunately have watched the majority of Texans games this year, and he’s getting better, and it’s noticeable from year to year.


We’ll just have to disagree then. I’ve said before i don’t think he is the problem from a talent perspective, but paying him $40 million and expecting him to be a Hall of Fame level quarterback isn’t a solution and arguably makes him into a problem.

And lol at the person who said he has one of the worst lines. They are bottom 3 in running blocking, but middle of the pack in pass blocking. He actually arguably benefitted more than any other passer from play action and pro passes this past season, even more so than Tannehill (by a every small margin.
A healthy portion of his sacks are self-inflicted because of indecisiveness. I understand you want to make a big play but sometimes you just have to take off and get that 5 yard run or throw it away and on to the next play.

One of worst things that’s come out of the prevalence of fantasy football is that’s warped people’s perception of what constitutes a great player, particularly at QB. Everyone is so enamored with what their numbers are but pay little to no attention to how they or why they got them.

Watson, Cousins, and Carr were all in the top 10 for Passer ratings this season. Do you really believe that Watson is better than Mahomes, Allen, and Tannehill? Do you really believe Cousins is better than Brady? Do you really believe Carr is than Lamar, Stafford, or even Herbert?
Posted by WuShock
Metairie
Member since Aug 2018
1317 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:36 pm to
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He actually arguably benefitted more than any other passer from play action and pro passes this past season, even more so than Tannehill


What are you talking about? How could he benefit when the Texans ran for the fewest yards in the league? They had rushing threat this year. Just because they utilize more often doesn’t mean that it was beneficial. If you think play actions with Henry aren’t more threatening to teams than fakes to David Johnson, I don’t know what to tell you.

Watson takes some sacks, but more than makes up for it by scrambling or rolling out and extending plays that end up as positive. He’s continued to improve every year and is one of the most dynamic QB’s in the league. The fact you think Tannehill is better than Deshaun tells me everything I need to know.
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:39 pm to
Yes the Texans o line was one of the worst in the league. You even said they were bottom 3 in run blocking but middle of the pack in pass blocking...that’s one of the worst lines in the league. Honestly pass blocking metrics would probably be even worse if it wasn’t for Watson ability to avoid sacks. He rarely has a clean pocket to work with.

You are trying to come off as some elitist that knows more about football with a bad take. Watson is a top 10 QB in the league period. And an argument could be made for top 5 honestly.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 8:43 pm
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22775 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:42 pm to
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He actually arguably benefitted more than any other passer from play action



Why the hell would any LB unit bite on play action from the Texans? They were awful! They may respect the Watson run on the zone read, occasionally, but they were already so far behind early in most games that they didn't have to. Down 21 in the 3rd quarter, no one is respecting that play action.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14487 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:42 pm to
Watson is a very good QB but the fact that he thinks he should have say in who is the GM and head coach is absurd. Apparently making in excess of $50 million per year isn’t enough.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:46 pm to
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What are you talking about? How could he benefit when the Texans ran for the fewest yards in the league? They had rushing threat this year. Just because they utilize more often doesn’t mean that it was beneficial. If you think play actions with Henry aren’t more threatening to teams than fakes to David Johnson, I don’t know what to tell you.

Watson takes some sacks, but more than makes up for it by scrambling or rolling out and extending plays that end up as positive. He’s continued to improve every year and is one of the most dynamic QB’s in the league. The fact you think Tannehill is better than Deshaun tells me everything I need to know.


His offensive line was one of the best in the league at blocking on RPOs and Playactions and it showed in his numbers: he was second only to Lamar Jackson in YPA on RPO throws and he led the league in ypa on PA throws. Even though they didn’t get a lot of yards on the ground in terms of raw numbers (due to being down so much and the ol doing their backs no favors), they were efficient enough in the running game to make those RPO/PA passes viable.
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:48 pm to
Franchise players should at least be able to give input...especially when ownership tells him they want his input. Then they don’t even interview who he suggests. Watson said he wanted them to interview (not hire, interview) Bieniemy and they don’t even request an interview from him. If they aren’t going to respect his opinion then don’t even ask for it.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:02 pm to
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Franchise players should at least be able to give input.


Absolutely not. I don’t care who that franchise player is, the owner of the team owes them no explanation or consultation at all.

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Then they don’t even interview who he suggests. Watson said he wanted them to interview (not hire, interview) Bieniemy and they don’t even request an interview from him.


Good decision on their part.

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If they aren’t going to respect his opinion then don’t even ask for it.


The only time the GM/President/Owner should ask any player’s opinion on anything football related is about their contract and that’s it.
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