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re: Derrick Rose is not just the MVP

Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:03 pm to
I can think of atleast 5-6 players i would rather have
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:05 pm to
Can we at least all agree that Rose is the best point guard in the league?
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:09 pm to
I agree.
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:11 pm to
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Can we at least all agree that Rose is the best point guard in the league?
Im very racist, sexist, and biased towards chris paul(in a good way). And yes i will still agree with you and say that dRose is the best PG in the league.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:27 pm to
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I think Howard is slightly overrated. He's the best player at what I'd say is the weakest position as a whole in the NBA right now. It's not hard to look great at your position when no one else is really stepping up to challenge you.


So he gets discredited because of the competition around him. Cmon. Most teams don't when championships without big men. I'll take an elite level big over an elite level SG 7 out of 10 times probably.

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Hell if Bynum would stay healthy and get pt and more looks, then he'd be better than Howard,


Not even close to being true.
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:33 pm to
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So he gets discredited because of the competition around him.


And where exactly did I discredit him? He;s the best center in the NBA. All I said was that it was in part due to the fact that it is currently the weakest position in the NBA. Do you disagree with that statement?

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Most teams don't when championships without big men.


Well no shite. When was the last time a team won with nothing but guards and wingmen on the floor?

Even if you meant centers, I guess you forgot that Jordan won a title/titles with Luc Longley and Bill Wennington as his centers.

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I'll take an elite level big over an elite level SG 7 out of 10 times probably.




Despite the fact that Bulls won 6 nba titles with an elite SG and the Lakers have won 5? Okay.



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Not even close to being true.


Bynum more than held his own against the Dwight when they played 2 weeks ago.
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:36 pm to
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Despite the fact that Bulls won 6 nba titles with an elite SG and the Lakers have won 5? Okay.
They won the championship with an elite team, not just one player.
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:49 pm to
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They won the championship with an elite team, not just one player.


True, but look at virtually every champion in the last 30 years. They all had a SG that was in the top 5 that year. Some of them had stud big men, but for others they were just another piece of the pie, nothing special.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 10:50 pm to
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Despite the fact that Bulls won 6 nba titles with an elite SG and the Lakers have won 5? Okay.

I think the elite big man was the cause of 3 of those.
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Posted on 3/22/11 at 11:04 pm to
Shaq was definitely the primary cause for the Lakers first of the threepeat, but it was even keel for the next two.
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:18 am to
If Dwight could develop some sort of a post game besides just dunking it, he would easily be the best player in the league, and i do think D. Rose deserves some heavy consideration for MVP - Hes the best PG in the league and is leading his team to the best record in the East above Boston and the all mighty Heat, thats pretty impressive. And yes he does have help, but so do all the other top teams
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:19 am to
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He's the best player period


What?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:19 am to
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Lebron can't get to the rim in the half court. Rose can. It's that simple

This thread has gone full retard.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:33 am to
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True, but look at virtually every champion in the last 30 years. They all had a SG that was in the top 5 that year. Some of them had stud big men, but for others they were just another piece of the pie, nothing special.


Did the Pistons, Spurs, and Celtics really have a top 5 SG? That was just the last ten years. Then you had Shaq who was the major piece to three of the Lakers recent titles.

Also Paul and DWill are definitely better PGs than Rose. Rose isn't nearly as efficient as other stars which IMO points to Thibs working magic as the Bulls coach.
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:36 am to
It was full retard from the start
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:38 am to
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Also Paul and DWill are definitely better PGs than Rose.

Paul isn't better than any of those guys. Maybe he used to be.

He plays like he has 5 fouls the whole game, avoiding contact at all costs.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:43 am to
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Did the Pistons, Spurs, and Celtics really have a top 5 SG?


Yes. Allen may not have the best stat line, but consider the circumstances.
Posted by AMM AU9893
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 12:49 am to
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Also Paul and DWill are definitely better PGs than Rose

I disagree. Rose is better than Paul no question, and a little better than Williams
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:00 am to
Rose basically has Williams size with Paul's speed. Dude's a helluva athlete.
Posted by papz
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:58 am to
1a. Paul
1b. Rose
1c. Williams

Paul's the more gifted passer of the bunch, Rose the most explosive, and Williams all around good across the board... imo. Can't go wrong with any of them... all three are elite and on the same level in my book.
This post was edited on 3/23/11 at 9:59 am
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