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re: Derrick Henry now has 90 career rushing TDs
Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:53 pm to MoarKilometers
Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:53 pm to MoarKilometers
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How about we throw in 1 of only 8 2k yard seasons
Chris Johnson and Jamal Lewis aren’t HOFers. Henry is in good company with that group.
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:58 pm to ned nederlander
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Chris Johnson and Jamal Lewis aren’t HOFers. Henry is in good company with that group.
I think 90 TDs vs only mid 50s for both of them sets him aside well enough.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:10 pm to Frac the world
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he’s got almost the same stats as Shaun Alexander does. He may not get in either, depends on how he closes his career. Might have 2-3 more good years in him who knows
It’s just really hard to get into the HOF as a RB. Henry needs a couple more productive seasons to have a shot.
Derrick Henry is currently sitting on 10,807 yards from scrimmage and 92 TDs. Those just don’t stick out in a crowd of contemporary and near contemporary RBs.
Priest Holmes has 11134 yards from scrimmage and 94 total TDs - not a HOFer.
Ezekiel Elliott has 11,472 and 85 TDs
Shady McCoy has 15,000 and 89 TDs
CMAC has 10,505 and 81 TDs
Kamara has 10,048 and 77 TDs
Hell Corey Dillon had 13, 154 and 89 TDs. You’re career needs to be much better than Corey Dillon, to say nothing of Rickey Watters, Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:26 pm to ned nederlander
And yet Terrell Davis is in with 8,887 yards from scrimmage and 65 total TDs. Derrick Henry has a 2,000+ yard season (one of only eight RBs, Davis being another) and a 99-yard TD run (one of only two).
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:29 pm to ned nederlander
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90 TDs isn’t going to cut it.
Only 3 running backs in NFL history had over 9500 yards and 90 TDs before their 30th birthday.
Barry Sanders, Emmit Smith and LaDanian Tomlinson.
And they each had 700 more carries than Henry at this age.
Whether you whiny bitches like it or not, Henry is on pace to make the HOF. He just needs to finish the final leg to cement it. Going to a contender or strong OL would help but it's probably not necessary.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:52 pm to AUFANATL
This is what I said:
This is what you said
I’ve got no ax to grind with Henry. But I also don’t gargle his nuts. His numbers are what they are.
He has more work to do to separate himself from the pack of very good running backs he is surrounded by.
quote:
Henry needs a couple more productive seasons to have a shot.
This is what you said
quote:
He just needs to finish the final leg to cement it.
I’ve got no ax to grind with Henry. But I also don’t gargle his nuts. His numbers are what they are.
He has more work to do to separate himself from the pack of very good running backs he is surrounded by.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:59 pm to Hot Carl
Hot Carl… 100% correct.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:36 pm to ned nederlander
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He has more work to do to separate himself from the pack of very good running backs he is surrounded by.
OK, think of it this way. Even in a time of diminished importance for the NFL running game, it would be unheard of for the best RB of his "era" not to make the HOF.
Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Emmit Smith, LaDamian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson...
The next name on that list, whether anyone likes it or not, is D. Henry. And yes I freely admit that C-Mac is challenging him hard for that crown and might take it over the next few years.
Henry doesn't have to do what RBs who carried the ball 60% of their team's offensive snaps did back in the old days. He doesn't have to do what all-purpose backs like Kamara do in more complex offenses. He just has to be considered the best running back of his era, even if it's watered down. It's the Hall of "Fame", not the hall of stat nit-picking. Even the sanctimonious baseball HOF is littered with guys who got in because of circumstances.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:57 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Maybe, but according to Pro Football References Hall of Fame monitor (HOFm) with more data to be added from this season, he currently ranks 92nd amount RBs with a HOFm with a score of 34 well below the HOF average of 108. But more importantly only 2 HOFers (Larry Csonka and Floyd Little) between Henry’s 34 and Paul Hornung‘s 68.63, which is >2x Henry’s and prettt much the threshold where 23/24 HOF eligible RBs are in the HOF (exception of Roger Craig) and the total of 23/25 HOF RBs (exception of Little and Csonka).
It doesn't change the fact that Henry is likely a future member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
So Henry is either going to have to have a number of more highly productive seasons to get into the HOF, or he’s going to be voted in with one of the lowest HOFm scores.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:01 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Hope he goes somewhere I can cheer for him.
I hate the Titans.
I hope you like the chiefs
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:52 pm to AUFANATL
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OK, think of it this way. Even in a time of diminished importance for the NFL running game, it would be unheard of for the best RB of his "era" not to make the HOF.
2 rushing titles and 1x first team all pro is a pretty weak beat of his era.
And what makes him the best of his era? Eye ball test?
Derrick Henry (30 years old):
1x First team all pro
2x Second team all pro
2 rushing titles
10,807 yards from scrimmage
92 TDs
Ezekiel Elliot (1.5 year younger)
1x first team all pro
2x second team all pro
2 rushing titles
11,472 yards from scrimmage
85 TDs
CMAC (2.5 years younger)
2x first team all pro
1x second team all pro
10,505 yards from scrimmage
81 tds
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:02 pm to RollTide1987
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And yet Terrell Davis is in with 8,887 yards from scrimmage and 65 total TDs. Derrick Henry has a 2,000+ yard season (one of only eight RBs, Davis being another) and a 99-yard TD run (one of only two).
Whatever explains Davis getting in, there is no question that there are many backs with equal or better resumes that have not gotten in and have no chance of getting in. Terrell Davis is not the bar.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:04 pm to TigerIron
How old was Davis when he got hurt?
ETA. I'm guessing Davis equals Henry's 2 rushing titles, plus has 2 All-Pro seasons.
ETA. I'm guessing Davis equals Henry's 2 rushing titles, plus has 2 All-Pro seasons.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:20 pm to TigerIron
Davis got in with a big boost from being a vital part of those two straight Super Bowl champion Broncos teams, one of which he was the MVP.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:21 pm to Frac the world
Terrible ownership will do that.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:24 pm to TigerIron
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Whatever explains Davis getting in, there is no question that there are many backs with equal or better resumes that have not gotten in and have no chance of getting in. Terrell Davis is not the bar.
Yea Davis is just an outlier. He had one of the best 3 seasons runs of all time, and the whole world saw him in back to back super bowls. Super bowls matter. Jerome Bettis probably isn’t a HOFer without a ring.
Just a unique set of facts with Davis.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:49 pm to RollTide1987
Given Henry’s HS career.
And college career.
And NFL career.
It would be a travesty for him not to make the NFL HoF.
If it’s even CLOSE for him he needs to be in.
He’s the definition of a hall of fame football player. From the first day he walked onto a HS field to today.
And college career.
And NFL career.
It would be a travesty for him not to make the NFL HoF.
If it’s even CLOSE for him he needs to be in.
He’s the definition of a hall of fame football player. From the first day he walked onto a HS field to today.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:51 pm to ned nederlander
quote:For RBs?
Super bowls matter
And if your answer is yes, the system is completely fricked and who cares about it at that point?
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:54 pm to ReauxlTide222
Biased much????? 
Posted on 1/7/24 at 10:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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For RBs?
And if your answer is yes, the system is completely fricked and who cares about it at that point?
Aren't you the same guy who just said he should get in based on his *high school* career? Superbowls are at least NFL games.
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