re: Dabo Swinney doesn't think Ohio State should make the playoff

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Of course, I wouldn't mind the number 3 team playing Coastal and the number 4 team playing Cincinnati beforehand. But alas.

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They should have expanded the playoff for this year only.

With the SEC axing OOC games, two major conferences playing a short season, and the high likelihood of losing games to Covid, you're not going to have enough data to narrow the pool to four teams.

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I don't know why it's so hard for you to see the difference between playing zero games and 6 games.

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There’s also a difference between playing 11 games and 6 games. That 5 game part is a giant advantage for OSU. For some reason you continue to ignore that.

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So what. Clemson plays a schedule every year that's not much better and has BY FAR the easiest path to the title. If we are going to allow them to do it, well...

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I don’t know what it’s hard for you to see the difference between playing 13 games and 6 games in this scenario. It’s not even remotely the same situation and you know it. You clearly have a problem with Clemson playing an easy schedule but no problem with OSU having the easiest path to the playoff ever. Just win 6 measly games and they’re in.
Are you trying to deny football isn’t a physical sport? A difference of five games is a big deal. There’s also the fact that OSU won’t have nearly as much game tape as the other teams.

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And this is why I don't really care what you have to say about it. Really? fricking Coastal Carolina? Act like you'd be fine with putting Coastal Carolina in over Bama because they played more games. Alabama invented back dooring your way to a title. It's hilarious to watch you bitch about anyone else do it.

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Ok let’s see Coastal Carolina has 2 ranked wins and unlike OSU will have played a full season. Their conference didn’t pussy out like the mighty Big10. If Alabama was in the exact same situation, I wouldn’t be mad if people were arguing for CC to be in. If they got in, I think they would have had a legitimate argument. You explain to me why Coastal Carolina shouldn’t be considered. Can you besides like laughing a fool? You’ve yet to present an argument for why you think OSU deserves in. Cincinnati also has a better argument. And I doubt you even knew USC was in a similar situation.

I know this would come up eventually. Alabama “back dooring” in, once again not the same situation. Why? Because Alabama completed a regular season. The post season after all is to reward that regular season. It was a difference of one whopping game too. Not five. And the national champion goes toward the champion of the year. You want it to go towards a team that didn’t even come close to completing their year.

I also think that UCF had a better argument in 2017 for being in over Alabama then OSU does for being in the playoffs.

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There’s also a difference between playing 11 games and 6 games.

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There's also a difference between playing 13 games and 14 games, or 14 games and 15 games.

Seriously, an Alabama fan of all people bitching about a team undeservedly playing for a national championship...

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I don’t know what it’s hard for you to see the difference between playing 13 games and 6 games in this scenario.

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Clemson has played 10 games, not 13.

Two of those games were The Citadel and 1-10 Syracuse, and a third was a loss.

Clemson is no more worthy than Ohio State, and definitely not if they lose to Notre Dame again. Dabo is really trying to make the case that his team should get a third shot again Notre Dame if they lose, and some of you are stupid enough to eat it up.

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You’ve yet to present an argument for why you think OSU deserves in.

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Probably because that's not my argument. The argument is that A&M, 2 loss Clemson, Coastal Carolina, Cincinnati, etc. don't have a better argument.

I don't hate Ohio State like a lot of you and I don't have that agenda.

I also think you're full of shite when you claim you wouldn't be begging for Bama getting in if they were in this position.

I'd bet you went hard on them getting in when they didn't deserve it, and I'd bet you have no problem claiming bullshite titles from 9-2 seasons 60 years ago.

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There's also a difference between playing 13 games and 14 games, or 14 games and 15 games.

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No shite. But a 5 game difference is way too much. Seems to be quite hard for you grasp for some reason. You’re trying to sit there and act like having played 1 extra game is going to wear players out as much as playing 5 extra games.

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Seriously, an Alabama fan of all people bitching about a team undeservedly playing for a national championship...

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Once again Alabama finished a regular season. OSU hasn’t even done that. A post season has always been a reward after the regular season. OSU hasn’t completed that. And you clearly are not happy when Bama “backdoored” in but yet you are ok with OSU getting one. I don’t see them as equivalent scenarios. You do yet you hated one happening but are fine with the other. You also don’t seem to like Clemson having easy paths but have no problem with OSU having a far easier one. Got some double standards huh?

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Clemson has played 10 games, not 13. Two of those games were The Citadel and 1-10 Syracuse, and a third was a loss.

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Look back at what you said. You were talking about how Clemson has had easy paths to the title before. In those normal seasons, they played 13 games. You trying to compare that to OSU’s 6 games is moronic. Even if it’s against a shitty team, they’re still taking and giving hits every game. Those hits add up. Players get hurt in blowout wins all the time. Hell Bama probably lost a starter today in the TENTH game of the season. Again don’t know why it’s so hard for you to grasp that football is a very physical sport and OSU has a ginormous advantage having played 5 fewer games. Their players are nowhere near as beat up.

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Clemson is no more worthy than Ohio State, and definitely not if they lose to Notre Dame again.

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If they beat ND, they are absolutely way more deserving. If they lose they don’t deserve in. Two losses is too much just like 5 fewer games is way too big a difference. Question becomes which is worse.

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Probably because that's not my argument. The argument is that A&M, 2 loss Clemson, Coastal Carolina, Cincinnati, etc. don't have a better argument.

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CC absolutely does have an argument. Two ranked wins and they played a full season. Reality is we know CC having played a full regular season is undefeated. We don’t know if OSU would’ve been 10-0. Every year teams start off 5-0 or 6-0 only to lose one or two games by the end.
You still haven’t given me an argument as to why OSU is so much more deserving, that the idea of an argument is laughable.

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I don't hate Ohio State like a lot of you and I don't have that agenda.

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Not a rebuttal to anything I have said. Just assumptions from you with nothing to back it up.I don’t hate OSU. I think OSU fans and the team should be pissed at their conference for screwing up.

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I also think you're full of shite when you claim you wouldn't be begging for Bama getting in if they were in this position. I'd bet you went hard on them getting in when they didn't deserve it, and I'd bet you have no problem claiming bullshite titles from 9-2 seasons 60 years ago.

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Let’s see more assumptions with nothing back them up. A lot of “I bet” because you know you can’t prove it. More vague statements.

I’m telling you straight up I wouldn’t be mad at the committee for not putting Bama in. I’d be mad at the SEC in this situation for having screwed the conference over when the other conferences would have shown it was possible to have a season. But the reality is the Big10 screwed up.

I don’t give a shite about that 1941 title and others like it. I think it was dumb it was claimed in the first place.

All this usually happens when someone can’t create an actual argument. Just create assumptions, double standards, vague statements, and be baffled as to how someone can be objective if they disagree with you.

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You're using a whole lot of words to do nothing but repeat the same bullshite.

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Since you don’t like what I say, it’s bullshite according to you. My reasoning is simple. Five fewer games is too much. It’s not as if every team has played 6-7 games. Yet you can’t grasp that simple concept.

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I'd rather play a team with fewer games than a team I already beat or who couldn't even make it to the conference championship game I won.

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The fact is one team has a massive advantage over the others. You keep ignoring that.

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Your whole bullshite premise is that the regular season is meaningful. Bama has spent years proving that as long as you're the right team, it isn't. And no, I'm not "happy" about anything. I'm just pointing out your hypocritical opinion about it. Bama isn't the only team who gets special treatment because of their name.

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Once again not the same situation. You’re sitting there acting like missing one game is the equivalent of missing five. The fact of the matter is, I wouldn’t have a problem with OSU getting in even if they were 9-1. They haven’t played a full season or REMOTELY close to one. The regular season still has meaning. A team with 3 losses isn’t getting in. A team that skipped the whole season wouldn’t get in.

You want to talk about me being a hypocrite. Why is it you have tons of issues with Bama but not with OSU in this regard? How in the world is that not hypocritical since you consider both the same situation?

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No need. I referred to their ridiculous schedule. I even specifically referenced three teams they played this year. Simple enough.

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Since you want to deflect off your error, I’ll look back at it for you:

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So what. Clemson plays a schedule every year that's not much better and has BY FAR the easiest path to the title. If we are going to allow them to do it, well...

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You were referring to their schedule every year. You mentioned that they still got into (clearly not this year since it hasn’t happened) the playoffs in those years. In those years, they won 13 games headed into the playoffs. That’s why I brought up 13 games since you were comparing those “easy” years to this 6-0 OSU one. Once again it’s moronic to act like they’re the same. 7 games is an even bigger difference. Your hypocrisy struck once again here. You have a problem with Clemson’s easy path but have zero issue with OSU far more easier path this year.

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There will never be a sound argument to be made for an ACC championship equaling "way more deserving."

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This year it 100% can be. Clemson will have beaten two ranked teams. Their loss would have been to a team when they were missing their star QB, and still only lost in a very close game. And very importantly, they played 5 more games. Shouldn’t be very hard to grasp why a 11-1 team is more deserving then a 6-0 team.

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No they don't. They should focus on basketball if they want a national championship.

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How’s this an actual response to what I said?

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Yes it is. You're spending a whole lot of time trying to change minds about something that will absolutely happen without Northwestern helping us out.

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No it’s not a rebuttal. I made no indication I hate OSU or have an hidden agenda. I would have zero problem with them if they had played their original 10 games or even 9. But you can’t fathom why someone would disagree with you, so it must be emotions right? Apparently only you can be objective here

You’re trying to make the argument that this is useless? No shite this is a message board, everything said here is useless. This thread is on whether or not they deserve in, not if they’re going to get in. Read the topic of the thread. Look at the responses.
And what does that make you, since you’ve been “wasting time” like me?

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I don't really care what you're telling me. I don't believe you, based on what you've said here.

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Of course you don’t believe me because it doesn’t help your argument. I’m telling you again I would be mad at the SEC not the committee if the situation is reversed. Not my fault you’re in denial.

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Bama gets special treatment every damn year. It's ridiculous for you to complain about anyone getting it.

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It’s ridiculous that you’re mad about Bama supposedly backdooring in every year but have zero issue with OSU doing the same (since you’re equating the situations). Why is that?

My reasoning is simple. OSU doesn’t deserve in because they played far too few games. They can direct their anger towards their conference for messing up.

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Since you don’t like what I say, it’s bullshite according to you. My reasoning is simple. Five fewer games is too much. It’s not as if every team has played 6-7 games. Yet you can’t grasp that simple concept.

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No. It's just bullshite.

Arbitrary limits are fun, but useless.

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The fact is one team has a massive advantage over the others. You keep ignoring that.

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So has Bama. I'm sure you've been complaining about that for years.

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Once again not the same situation. You’re sitting there acting like missing one game is the equivalent of missing five. The fact of the matter is, I wouldn’t have a problem with OSU getting in even if they were 9-1. They haven’t played a full season or REMOTELY close to one. The regular season still has meaning. A team with 3 losses isn’t getting in. A team that skipped the whole season wouldn’t get in.

You want to talk about me being a hypocrite. Why is it you have tons of issues with Bama but not with OSU in this regard? How in the world is that not hypocritical since you consider both the same situation?

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The only reason I'm bringing up Bama is to highlight your hypocrisy. At least Ohio State will have a conference championship if they get in.

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You were referring to their schedule every year. You mentioned that they still got into (clearly not this year since it hasn’t happened) the playoffs in those years. In those years, they won 13 games headed into the playoffs. That’s why I brought up 13 games since you were comparing those “easy” years to this 6-0 OSU one. Once again it’s moronic to act like they’re the same. 7 games is an even bigger difference. Your hypocrisy struck once again here. You have a problem with Clemson’s easy path but have zero issue with OSU far more easier path this year.

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And I specifically mentioned this year, did I not?

The old "nuh uh, you" won't work, either.

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This year it 100% can be. Clemson will have beaten two ranked teams. Their loss would have been to a team when they were missing their star QB, and still only lost in a very close game. And very importantly, they played 5 more games. Shouldn’t be very hard to grasp why a 11-1 team is more deserving then a 6-0 team.

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Miami is looking great today.

Bama fans wanting to objectively look at conference championships and records is peak hypocrisy.

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How’s this an actual response to what I said?

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It requires just a small amount of thought, I suppose.

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No it’s not a rebuttal. I made no indication I hate OSU or have an hidden agenda. I would have zero problem with them if they had played their original 10 games or even 9. But you can’t fathom why someone would disagree with you, so it must be emotions right? Apparently only you can be objective here ?

You’re trying to make the argument that this is useless? No shite this is a message board, everything said here is useless. This thread is on whether or not they deserve in, not if they’re going to get in. Read the topic of the thread. Look at the responses.
And what does that make you, since you’ve been “wasting time” like me?

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No. This thread is about Dabo being a hypocrite. You're doing the same.

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Of course you don’t believe me because it doesn’t help your argument. I’m telling you again I would be mad at the SEC not the committee if the situation is reversed. Not my fault you’re in denial.

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Repeating a lie won't suddenly make it true.

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It’s ridiculous that you’re mad about Bama supposedly backdooring in every year but have zero issue with OSU doing the same (since you’re equating the situations). Why is that?

My reasoning is simple. OSU doesn’t deserve in because they played far too few games. They can direct their anger towards their conference for messing up.

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It's pretty simple. I care about Florida getting in. I don't really care much about anyone else.

It's just ridiculous for a Bama fan to sit here and whine about anyone getting special treatment.

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The fact is one team has a massive advantage over the others. You keep ignoring that.

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I disagree. I think the lack of game reps to develop the new guys in the lineup will jump up and bite Ohio State in the arse if they make the playoffs.

I do get the argument about lack of games but honestly college football overall is a pretty shitty product this year. The SEC for example seems to have one really good teams, a few good teams the. A steaming pile. Other conferences are in a similar situation.

62-28.

Yikes.

Clemson has to go 1-1 against the only decent team they play.

Unfair advantage.

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They had 10 games planned. They didn’t come close to playing that. It’s hard for you I know.

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Maybe 8-0 is the limit? 9-0? Since we're just making shite up as we go...

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I know you find it hard to believe but I wouldn’t have been mad if Bama didn’t get in. You’re assuming I’m full on expecting and demanding to get in both years. Still the situations aren’t as similar as you act. One finished a season, one didn’t. Even if you want to talk about disadvantages, there are different levels of disadvantages. You can’t seem to grasp that either.

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You're right. I don't believe you.

If you didn't defend it, maybe. But that didn't happen.

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You very clearly have a problem with all that. Let me make it easier for you. You say it’s not fair Bama “backdoored” their way in. You don’t agree that they should have. Yet you want OSU to do the same. You have a problem with the first but not the second.

You have a problem with Clemson having an easy schedule yet have no problem with OSU having an easier schedule.

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Pointing out what happened isn't the same as "having a problem" with something.

You are trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Hypocrite.

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I already showed you the exact quote and you did not. Ok let me break this down for you. Does “every year” include those 13-0 seasons? Yes. And you were comparing those “every year” 13-0 seasons to what OSU is facing now. So I did the simple math for you and stated that 13-0 is 7 more games then 6-0 so it’s dumb to compare.

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None of that gets you out of being wrong about me specifically referencing their schedule this year. I've done it multiple times.

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This scenario includes Clemson winning the ACC. I already said they don’t deserve in if they don’t. In that case ND would be great win.

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In that case, ND and Miami wins are probably close to Indiana and Northwestern wins.

Arguing Clemson's big wins isn't a road you want to go down.

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Doesn’t mean his point isn’t valid or worthy of discussion

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It means exactly what I said it means.

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Let me tell you something else. If OSU was 10-1 with their only loss being a close one in the CCG, I wouldn’t have problem with them in getting in despite not having won the conference. My problem is the severe lack of games. Just continue to deny and act like you can read my mind through your screen.

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But not 9-1? So, why is it 11 games?

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Nothing you said in this thread backs up that first statement. It’s seems very likely you don’t like Dabo or Bama much. Yet you’re here white knighting for OSU even when some of their own fans say they understand the point people are making with the lack of games. But you go ahead and keep comparing it to Bama’s situation as if they are same, and keep assuming you know what I think.

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You're trying to make it about that. You're being a hypocrite and it's easier to make irrelevant claims than defend that.

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Maybe 8-0 is the limit? 9-0? Since we're just making shite up as we go...

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Ok so what’s yours? Are you ok with a 2-0 OSU?

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You're right. I don't believe you. If you didn't defend it, maybe. But that didn't happen.

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I know you won’t concede even though you know you’re wrong. Keep on denying.

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Pointing out what happened isn't the same as "having a problem" with something. You are trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Hypocrite.

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That’s exactly what you’re doing here. I’m doing no such thing. You’re not just “pointing out”, you do not like it. Backdooring your way in is a negative thing to say. Fine let’s not use “having a problem”. You don’t think Alabama deserved to in 2011 or 2017. That’s why you brought it up. Yet you think OSU should supposedly get the same treatment. Same goes for the scheduling difficulty. Now you add another hypocritical claim but saying I’m speaking out both sides of my mouth when you’re clearly doing that.

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None of that gets you out of being wrong about me specifically referencing their schedule this year. I've done it multiple times.

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In the specific statement I responded to, you did not. Even if you did, every year includes both the 10 and 13 game seasons. So it’s completely logical for me to bring 13-0 up.

This statement by you tells me don’t want to admit defeat. You’re bypassing my point that either way it’s multiple games of difference, and instead just want to argue flawed semantics.

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In that case, ND and Miami wins are probably close to Indiana and Northwestern wins. Arguing Clemson's big wins isn't a road you want to go down.

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Ok let’s see, each would have 2 ranked wins and won their conference. Clemson would have a loss but it was close one with their backup QB and they would have avenged it. Oh and they also have played 5 more games. Big difference right there.

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It means exactly what I said it means.

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Newsflash. Things can have multiple meanings.

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But not 9-1? So, why is it 11 games?

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9-1 has a better argument then 6-0 too. 11 games was the original number. In this case they would’ve missed one game. Difference between 1 game missed and 5 is too much. Difference between losses is also arbitrary right? Yet you’d agree probably that a 1 loss team is more deserving then a 3 loss team. You have to draw the line somewhere.

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You're trying to make it about that. You're being a hypocrite and it's easier to make irrelevant claims than defend that.

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You’ve said nothing of substance to back up your claims. You refuse to admit defeat and would rather just claim I’m lying. But we both know you don’t even believe what you’re saying at this point.

How about you concern yourself Florida right now since you supposedly only care about them and not OSU?