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Competitive advantage vs. integrity question - tipping pitches
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:11 am
Baseball scenario
The catcher is giving signs and locations that can easily be viewed by the dugout and/or the pitcher is tipping his pitches with body movements.
At what player age as a coach do you use this to your advantage and not tell them vs. letting their coach know and teaching the kids how to correct it?
I remember in high school a team was doing this in our district. We took advantage of it when we played them and our coach let the other coach know about it after our last game against them. IMO that was appropriate for high school level
The catcher is giving signs and locations that can easily be viewed by the dugout and/or the pitcher is tipping his pitches with body movements.
At what player age as a coach do you use this to your advantage and not tell them vs. letting their coach know and teaching the kids how to correct it?
I remember in high school a team was doing this in our district. We took advantage of it when we played them and our coach let the other coach know about it after our last game against them. IMO that was appropriate for high school level
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 10:12 am
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:18 am to Tiger1242
I would think if you are old enough to legitimately be getting scouted by college programs, you are old enough to have your tells be taken advantage of if you have them.
Middle school age, I'd absolutely let the coach know after a game or something like that, but I'd also use it to help coach my guys. They need to learn to watch their opponent and study stuff like this, so it is as much of a coaching moment for you as it will be for the other coach in trying to help fix it.
Middle school age, I'd absolutely let the coach know after a game or something like that, but I'd also use it to help coach my guys. They need to learn to watch their opponent and study stuff like this, so it is as much of a coaching moment for you as it will be for the other coach in trying to help fix it.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:22 am to Tiger1242
“If someone is stealing signs, that team should get pitched at their heads!!!!”
MUh uNwRItTeN RuLeZ
MUh uNwRItTeN RuLeZ
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:36 am to Tiger1242
It's all fair game until you start using spy cameras and trash cans
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:49 am to TackySweater
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“If someone is stealing signs, that team should get pitched at their heads!!!!”
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MUh uNwRItTeN RuLeZ
You have got to be the biggest douche and most unlikable poster on TD these days.
Good lord you’re fricking awful.
If you’re under 16 I apologize for my words***
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:59 pm to Tiger1242
You should without a doubt be using it to your advantage in high school.
I would say that once kids start throwing offspeed pitches around 12-13, we should be helping their development, not taking advantage of it just yet.
By 13-14 i'd say it is fair game to start stealing signs or picking up on pitchers tipping pitches.
I told an opposing teams coach after a game a few weeks ago that i could tell every time the kid was going to throw a curveball b/c you coudl see his glove moving around as he was trying to regrip the ball. I didn't yell out during each kids at bat that a curveball was comign in an 11u game like many other adults would do. Throwing curves at 11 is a different discussion, so don't start that one.
What i don't like is dads from the stands stealing the signs and then hollering out loud for everyone to hear. It's such a dick move to do to a young kid. If you want to help, then go tell your own kid what you are seeing and let him try to pick up on it and learn to do it himself in the game.
I would say that once kids start throwing offspeed pitches around 12-13, we should be helping their development, not taking advantage of it just yet.
By 13-14 i'd say it is fair game to start stealing signs or picking up on pitchers tipping pitches.
I told an opposing teams coach after a game a few weeks ago that i could tell every time the kid was going to throw a curveball b/c you coudl see his glove moving around as he was trying to regrip the ball. I didn't yell out during each kids at bat that a curveball was comign in an 11u game like many other adults would do. Throwing curves at 11 is a different discussion, so don't start that one.
What i don't like is dads from the stands stealing the signs and then hollering out loud for everyone to hear. It's such a dick move to do to a young kid. If you want to help, then go tell your own kid what you are seeing and let him try to pick up on it and learn to do it himself in the game.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:21 pm to TheRouxGuru
Are you worked up because you don’t like what I said? Because that’s what a lot of people think.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I could see a dad that picks up on something like that telling the coach and let the coach handle it from there. I agree yelling out from the stands about it is a terrible idea.
What i don't like is dads from the stands stealing the signs and then hollering out loud for everyone to hear. It's such a dick move to do to a young kid. If you want to help, then go tell your own kid what you are seeing and let him try to pick up on it and learn to do it himself in the game.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:42 pm to Tiger1242
Back about 15 years ago, I was assisting with an 11-12 year old Dixie Youth team. I had to go to the complex for some reason, probably to give one of my buddy's boys a ride.
I noticed the team we were playing the next night was practicing. Their coach was on his knees, halfway between the rubber and the plate, pitching BP. We had the fastest pitcher in the league, so he was getting them ready.
I mainly worked with our pitchers, including calling pitches, so I called a much greater than usual amount of change-ups, knowing they were gearing up for the fastball. Easy win.
Also, I did not let our pitchers throw curves.
I noticed the team we were playing the next night was practicing. Their coach was on his knees, halfway between the rubber and the plate, pitching BP. We had the fastest pitcher in the league, so he was getting them ready.
I mainly worked with our pitchers, including calling pitches, so I called a much greater than usual amount of change-ups, knowing they were gearing up for the fastball. Easy win.
Also, I did not let our pitchers throw curves.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 5:54 pm to Tiger1242
I remember in high school a team was doing this in our district. We took advantage of it when we played them and[b our coach let the other coach know about it ]after our last game against them. [/b]
After thinking about it, it's marginally appropriate in HS. Is all sportsmanship out the window? Pitchers at that age are still developing, so it's a bit it's unfair, IMO.
Btw, how did the other coach take the news?
I think that kind of pitch-tipping scoping scrutiny instead of just playing is a fairly new HS baseball phenomena.
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IMO that was appropriate for high school level
After thinking about it, it's marginally appropriate in HS. Is all sportsmanship out the window? Pitchers at that age are still developing, so it's a bit it's unfair, IMO.
Btw, how did the other coach take the news?
I think that kind of pitch-tipping scoping scrutiny instead of just playing is a fairly new HS baseball phenomena.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:49 pm to Tiger1242
If the pitcher is actually tipping, then it’s fair game. It’s the same as watching some pitchers and easily knowing when they are going to throw to first and yell “back.”
High school is 100% fair game. But really in high school just because they call a pitch doesn’t mean that it’s going actually land.
A lot of the High School coaches are friendly with each other. For them telling the coach after the game seems appropriate. But some schools and coaches hate each other. Just let those schools figure it out on their own.
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At what player age as a coach do you use this to your advantage and not tell them vs. letting their coach know and teaching the kids how to correct it?
High school is 100% fair game. But really in high school just because they call a pitch doesn’t mean that it’s going actually land.
A lot of the High School coaches are friendly with each other. For them telling the coach after the game seems appropriate. But some schools and coaches hate each other. Just let those schools figure it out on their own.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:14 pm to Tiger1242
Don’t know exactly when to start.
Certainly high school but I’m a bit uncomfortable with stealing signs before that for the coaches to do it.
I purposely do not look at other team’s signs on an 11 year old team because everyone can steal signs at that age. They have to be simple for your own team to remember them.
Now if my players pick it up I don’t know.
If a pitcher’s body language gives it away that’s fair game at all ages in my opinion
Certainly high school but I’m a bit uncomfortable with stealing signs before that for the coaches to do it.
I purposely do not look at other team’s signs on an 11 year old team because everyone can steal signs at that age. They have to be simple for your own team to remember them.
Now if my players pick it up I don’t know.
If a pitcher’s body language gives it away that’s fair game at all ages in my opinion
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What i don't like is dads from the stands stealing the signs and then hollering out loud for everyone to hear.
I’ve stopped a game over this. Unacceptable.
If the kids pick something up awesome. For the adults to intervene is unacceptable
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:18 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Perfect answer 
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:30 pm to TheRouxGuru
I will give him some props. He works really hard at being a douche
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:31 pm to Tomherman
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will give him some props. He works really hard at being a douche
I’ll ask you the same question: are you offended by what I said? Because it’s pretty factual.
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