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re: College Football Needs This Playoff System
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:06 pm to Gmorgan4982
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:06 pm to Gmorgan4982
are you being serious in this discussion?
Are you throwing Strength of Schedule completely out of the discussion?
You want to believe that a team's strength is based solely on their record, which is never the case.
Are you throwing Strength of Schedule completely out of the discussion?
You want to believe that a team's strength is based solely on their record, which is never the case.
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:07 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
I'm as far from a liberal/socialist as you are going to fin
I know, what you say on the poli board at least. Too bad you don't apply those principles to sports
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:If they didn't win their conference based on the rules set forth by their conference at the beginning of the season, then I'm not going to be all that sympathetic if they don't make the playoff (well, I may be sympathetic if it's LSU but I'm overly biased with respect to that).
Suppose the top 2 non conference winners are LSU and Ohio State both finish 11-1, but don't win their conference based on tie breakers.
quote:I don't know. Committee, some type of ranking system similar to the BCS. I'm not too picky on how the at-large is decided as long as a decent attempt to pick the best remaining team is left.
What "fair" method are you using to determine which of those makes the playoff?
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:12 pm to molsusports
quote:over time, under my system, I think things will even out with the conferences. It will certainly make the Big East a better conference.
mostly on the same page, not only are the conferences not equal... the champs of individual conferences from year to year are not equal
Under my system, out of the BCS Top 9 poll released after the conference championship game weekend last season, only Boise State would have been left out:
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:14 pm to Chicken
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No system in which the teams do not have a balanced SOS should guarantee that...
Then whats the point of even playing the season? Every wants to save the sancity of the regular season. Whats the point of playing the regular season if you are doomed from the get go.
quote:
its unfair that LSU football makes more money and gets better recruits than Utah as well.
Making more money shouldn't effect access to a championship.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:15 pm to Chicken
quote:Yes. The main difference from my usual arguments on this topic is that Chicken/H-Town is taking the place of SlowFlowPro.
are you being serious in this discussion?
quote:I'm all for severely limiting its impact.
Are you throwing Strength of Schedule completely out of the discussion?
quote:Well, the system as it is now has a bunch of teams vying for two opinion-based, SOS-factored spots. My system would have a bunch of teams vying for one opinion-based, SOS-factored spot. So, not that big of a difference. My system just also adds the aspect of a non-opinion-based way of getting into the championship, which can be done by winning your conference.
You want to believe that a team's strength is based solely on their record, which is never the case.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:18 pm to Chicken
quote:
over time, under my system, I think things will even out with the conferences. It will certainly make the Big East a better conference.
couple issues there
1) There will still be variations in conference quality from year to year and decade to decade... some conferences are kinda going to suck in a relative sense at least.
At least in the years those conferences are down or their champs are bad it would be better to treat them less favorably than the better teams... because as (I think) you like to point out - strength of schedule matters too
2) We don't really want everyone to be equal do we? We're LSU fans and like our conference being better
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:21 pm to macatak911
quote:doomed in what respect? Is there someone mandating that the TCU's and Boise State's of the world play soft schedules? Did those schools not make their own schedules?
Then whats the point of even playing the season? Every wants to save the sancity of the regular season. Whats the point of playing the regular season if you are doomed from the get go.
Besides, in my system, at least one non-BCS school gets a shot if you apply it to the last two seasons.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:23 pm to molsusports
quote:I have already amended my system to stipulate that you must be ranked in the Top 12 of the BCS poll to qualify...if a conference champ like Ga Tech is ranked lower than that, they would be excluded and another at-large team would be taken.
At least in the years those conferences are down or their champs are bad it would be better to treat them less favorably than the better teams.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:24 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:then your system will never be taken seriously. There is a reason why there are BCS conferences and non-BCS conferences...
I'm all for severely limiting its impact.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:24 pm to Chicken
quote:Which is why almost every playoff proposal includes home sites... like the other, non-profitable divisions do without a problem.
Asking teams and their fans to travel around the country on short notice to neutral sites for three weekends doesn't seem logical
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:26 pm to Chicken
quote:Why should one team have to worry about how good the other teams on its schedule are? What if they thought the teams on their schedule were going to be good and they ended up not being good? Should each team hire a professional football prognosticator in order to help consult with the formation of their schedule? How is having to worry about the performance of teams that you have absolutely no influence over a good idea?
Did those schools not make their own schedules?
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:28 pm to Chicken
quote:
At least in the years those conferences are down or their champs are bad it would be better to treat them less favorably than the better teams.
I have already amended my system to stipulate that you must be ranked in the Top 12 of the BCS poll to qualify...if a conference champ like Ga Tech is ranked lower than that, they would be excluded and another at-large team would be taken.
would there still be regular bowl games with automatic BCS champ representatives?
Because if not I think you'd run into political problems getting it done
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:28 pm to Chicken
quote:Well, whether or not it is taken seriously is secondary to me. I mean, the current system is taken seriously by a lot of people, so I'm not really expecting a rational system to be too popular.
then your system will never be taken seriously
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:31 pm to Chicken
quote:
doomed in what respect? Is there someone mandating that the TCU's and Boise State's of the world play soft schedules? Did those schools not make their own schedules?
Besides, in my system, at least one non-BCS school gets a shot if you apply it to the last two seasons.
Actually their conference mandates they play soft schedules by having subpar teams in the conference. Boise, tcu, etc can only schedule 4 teams on their own. They have enough trouble finding ONE opponent who is good to play much less four. The big schools have Zero incentive to play them. VT was in a lose-lose this year. The system is designed (by the BCS schools) for them to fail.
Your system is much much better than what we have now. I just think a 16 would be a step better than that. Boise and tcu would have both gotten shits last year, and they wouldn't have eaten up at-large spots.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:32 pm to Baloo
quote:my proposal has first round games at higher seeded sites...then just two weeks of neutral site games (semifinals and finals).
Which is why almost every playoff proposal includes home sites...
quote:perhaps so, but that is on a far different scale.
like the other, non-profitable divisions do without a problem.
I just don't think you will see them going for four weekends of games...if they do, I would propose 12-teams, with top four getting first round bye, and the other eight teams playing each other for the right to face the top 4. Still, I think eight is a good number.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:32 pm to macatak911
quote:I guess they're just supposed to schedule 4 home games and 8 road games every year.
They have enough trouble finding ONE opponent who is good to play much less four.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:33 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:your system isn't rational.
I'm not really expecting a rational system to be too popular.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:35 pm to Chicken
Well, it gives every team a shot. It doesn't basically give the middle finger to 51 teams.
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