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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:14 am to Kodar
I know how it works. You don't have to explain it.
Do you want more or less subjectivity? The amount of bitching is irrelevant. People are going to bitch. There's not going to be more or less bitching with any system you propose. People love to bitch.
Do you want more or less subjectivity? The amount of bitching is irrelevant. People are going to bitch. There's not going to be more or less bitching with any system you propose. People love to bitch.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:15 am to Kodar
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5 doesn't work for a long list of obvious reasons.
I didn't propose 5. That's six teams...
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4 doesn't work because the bitching by leaving out a conference entirely is worse than the bitching by leaving out some non conference champs.
Bitching is irrelevant.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:15 am to Weagle25
quote:The subjectivity and bitching tend to go hand in hand. Yes, I want less subjectivity. That said, the way I REALLY want go about that would piss off every traditionalist in existence probably.
Do you want more or less subjectivity? The amount of bitching is irrelevant. People are going to bitch. There's not going to be more or less bitching with any system you propose. People love to bitch.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:17 am to Kodar
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Yes, I want less subjectivity.
This statement and your ideas don't match
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:20 am to MedHog19
quote:Take the top four.
4 doesn't work. What happens when fhe big 12 adds a championship and you have
5 12-1 conference champions
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:21 am to Weagle25
quote:Then you imply you want less subjectivity as well, and your ideas don't match.
This statement and your ideas don't match
See how that works?
Your opinion of the system I propose suggests more subjectivity. My opinion of your system suggests more subjectivity.
Hence, there will always be fricking subjectivity because CFB sucks that way. I believe an 8 team LIMITS the subjectivity. It will still occur no matter what. I believe a 4 team skyrockets the subjectivity because a P5 conf champ has to be left out then. It's easier to leave a non conf champ out for obvious reasons. Start leaving a conf champ out like may happen this year, and shite WILL HIT THE FAN.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:21 am to MedHog19
quote:LSU was #2 in the computers as well as the polls. No argument against LSU being in that title game will hold any water.
LSU magically jumped from 7 to 2
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:23 am to Kodar
You confuse subjectivity and bitching.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:24 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:24 am to Weagle25
Nvm
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:25 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:24 am to Weagle25
quote:I misread.
I didn't propose 5. That's six teams...
Okay, lets say your system is taken. You run into the issue then of determining the 6th spot i.e. the G5 champ. That of course is followed by the insanity of the P5 saying the G5 doesn't belong.
For the record, now that I properly understand what you're saying, I actually like your idea. One problem however, what happens to #1 and #2 in the first round? If you give out a bye, then you run into subjectivity of determining #1 and #2.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:24 am to ballscaster
Georgia could have made an argument
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:25 am to Weagle25
quote:You act like they don't go together.
You confuse subjectivity and bitching.
Why did 2011 kickstart the playoff?
Because everyone BITCHED about the SUBJECTIVITY. The more subjectivity, the more bitching, and the more attention on the subjectivity. The less subjectivity, the less bitching, and the less attention on the subjectivity.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:31 am to Kodar
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For the record, now that I properly understand what you're saying, I actually like your idea. One problem however, what happens to #1 and #2 in the first round? If you give out a bye, then you run into subjectivity of determining #1 and #2.
Like you said, and I agreed with, you cannot eliminate all subjectivity. Limiting it to which Group of 5 team gets in (who most the time don't deserve to get in anyways) and who gets the byes let's the champion be mostly determined on the field.
If you think you deserved a bye, you can prove it by beating everybody.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:33 am to MedHog19
quote:Both Virginia Tech and LSU had better records and tougher schedules than Georgia. Georgia's "argument" was contrived by a cable sports network that people watch too much of.
Georgia could have made an argument
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:34 am to Kodar
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You act like they don't go together.
The bitching is there no matter what. That's what you don't understand. You could create a system with next to zero subjectivity and there would be bitching about wanting to change the system. See: 2016 Presidential election.
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Because everyone BITCHED about the SUBJECTIVITY. The more subjectivity, the more bitching, and the more attention on the subjectivity. The less subjectivity, the less bitching, and the less attention on the subjectivity.
Now all you're doing is proving the slippery slope theory. People will always beg for more until we just start the season with a playoff including all 119 teams. Even then there would probably be bitching about who my team had to play first
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:36 am to Weagle25
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Like you said, and I agreed with, you cannot eliminate all subjectivity. Limiting it to which Group of 5 team gets in (who most the time don't deserve to get in anyways) and who gets the byes let's the champion be mostly determined on the field.
If you think you deserved a bye, you can prove it by beating everybody.
I can agree with that generally. My primary concern is determining who gets the bye, but I could live with that system honestly.Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:42 am to Weagle25
quote:I fully understand the bitching is there no matter what. How loud is it however? There's bitching about the CBB playoff system, but does it seem to be changing anytime soon?
The bitching is there no matter what. That's what you don't understand. You could create a system with next to zero subjectivity and there would be bitching about wanting to change the system. See: 2016 Presidential election.
quote:There will be people who always beg for more. Always. Is it a bit of a gamble to expand to 6 or 8? Yep, because both bring in certain aspects of subjectivity that could lead to a massive expansion someday. I'm simply choosing to believe and hope that won't happen.
Now all you're doing is proving the slippery slope theory. People will always beg for more until we just start the season with a playoff including all 119 teams. Even then there would probably be bitching about who my team had to play first
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:49 am to Deactived
quote:I agree with OP. If you wint your conference in a P5 you should get in. The other 3 teams are the ones ranked the best that didnt win conference. Simple.
yea so we can have people crying about #9 and #10 not getting in. then we can go to 12, then 16!
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:42 am to MedHog19
Absolutely not.
The college football regular season has already been slightly compromised with a 4 team playoff, but not too badly.
An 8 team playoff will gut the regular season.
Do you give a shite about the college basketball regular season? No and neither does anyone else. They may as well be exhibition games.
The college football regular season has already been slightly compromised with a 4 team playoff, but not too badly.
An 8 team playoff will gut the regular season.
Do you give a shite about the college basketball regular season? No and neither does anyone else. They may as well be exhibition games.
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