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College football needs an 8 team playoff ASAP

Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:42 pm
Posted by MedHog19
Little Rock
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:42 pm
There is never any drama over the nfl on who gets in. An 8 team playoffs lets you give Auto bids to the 5 P5 conference champs, the highest ranked team from the group of 5, and two At larges that will be the 2 highest ranked teams to not win a championship
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:45 pm to
Did the other 8 team playoff thread drop to 2nd page?
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:55 pm to
Duck.

While I agree an 8 team playoff needs to arrive quickly, you're about to get slammed.

I definitely want auto-bids for P5 conf champs + 3 at-larges, but CFB is inherently flawed in that it will always suffer from subjectivity. That's one of the reasons the NFL's postseason is superior, but it is what it is.
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:57 pm to
yea so we can have people crying about #9 and #10 not getting in. then we can go to 12, then 16!
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:00 am to
Do y'all never learn? All it does is push the controversy somewhere else? You don't think they're would be the same debate about who gets the 2 at large?
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:01 am to
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yea so we can have people crying about #9 and #10 not getting in. then we can go to 12, then 16!


Just because I'm getting tired of this stupid arse statement, no one has been clamoring (barring a rare minority) for more than 8 mostly. I know you're about to say something about slippery slope, but the gap between say #8 and #12/#16 is bigger than some of you seem to realize.

For the record, I've been wanting an 8 team playoff since before the first playoff system was instituted.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:01 am to
Why have 3 at larges? You're just putting subjectivity into your system again
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:02 am to
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Do y'all never learn? All it does is push the controversy somewhere else? You don't think they're would be the same debate about who gets the 2 at large?


I think 5 to 7 have an argument this year. It happens pretty often. I don't remember a year where number 9 has a legit argument. Just my opinion though.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:02 am to
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An 8 team playoffs lets you give Auto bids to the 5 P5 conference champs, the highest ranked team from the group of 5, and two At larges that will be the 2 highest ranked teams to not win a championship
You are the 9,000,001st person on this board to come up with this exact same idea, and it won't happen and shouldn't happen because it's a poorly-thought-out idea.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:03 am to
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For the record, I've been wanting an 8 team playoff since before the first playoff system was instituted.


Well whooped doo, doesn't prevent other people from flavoring for more teams (which they will)

If you didn't win your conference, you have zero reason to gripe about getting left out
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:03 am to
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Why have 3 at larges? You're just putting subjectivity into your system again


I literally stated in my post that there will always be subjectivity. There is NO system in CFB that can exist in its current state that will not have subjectivity. The goal is either:
1) Overhaul CFB to a way that subjectivity will be eliminated.
2) Minimize subjectivity.

The direction things are going is 2.

The 3 at larges is simply because I think that will be a little less chaotic than sorting at 1 single at large team. There will be bitching no matter what however.
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:05 am to
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I think 5 to 7 have an argument this year. It happens pretty often. I don't remember a year where number 9 has a legit argument. Just my opinion though.

#4 and #5 never griped when we had two teams play for a national championship. It's just a shocking coincidence that now they do
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:05 am to
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Well whooped doo, doesn't prevent other people from flavoring for more teams (which they will)
While true, the argument against a system larger than 8 is stronger than the argument against 8 exactly.

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If you didn't win your conference, you have zero reason to gripe about getting left out
I strongly agree. However, we have a significant problem. We have FIVE main conferences. Odd number kinda fricks us over.

Edit: Fixed typo
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:07 am
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
46192 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:06 am to
Just because you can't eliminate all subjectivity doesn't mean you should unnecessarily add into your system with 3 at larges.
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:07 am to
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#4 and #5 never griped when we had two teams play for a national championship. It's just a shocking coincidence that now they do
Oh yeah, I'm sure there has never been a time that #4 and #5 didn't complain
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:07 am to
5 champs. Best Group of 5 champ

Or 4 champs. Leave one out
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:09 am
Posted by MedHog19
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2016
48 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:08 am to
4 doesn't work. What happens when fhe big 12 adds a championship and you have
5 12-1 conference champions
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:10 am to
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#4 and #5 never griped when we had two teams play for a national championship. It's just a shocking coincidence that now they do


That isn't true. We've had plenty of top 5 teams complain over the years.
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:10 am to
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Just because you can't eliminate all subjectivity doesn't mean you should unnecessarily add into your system with 3 at larges.
*sigh* Here's the issue. We have a shite ton of subjectivity in the current system. We can't just expand to a 5 team playoff because that just doesn't work. A 6 team playoff is going to have an at-large UNLESS the system tries to go a route that pulls in a G5, but then subjectivity arises there as well as uproar over a G5 being in. 1 at-large will see significant bitching. 8 suffers from similar problem as 6, but I think the extra 2 slots cuts down on the bitching slightly, and having 8 rounds things out because a 6 team deals with the idea of byes for #1 and #2.

That is unless you want that.
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4558 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:12 am to
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5 champs. Best Group of 5 champ

Or 4 champs. Leave one out


5 doesn't work for a long list of obvious reasons.

4 doesn't work because the bitching by leaving out a conference entirely is worse than the bitching by leaving out some non conference champs.
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