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re: College all star team vs MLB team
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:59 pm to PP7 for heisman
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:59 pm to PP7 for heisman
i guess. i was more drawn to the idea that college baseball is somehow on par with AA ball
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:00 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Arms aren't there, especially relief arms.
but i would bet the under on 7 wins for the whole year
Over an entire season, Skenes/Lowder can only get you so far. I mean the Pirates already lose games with Skenes going 7 scoreless
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:03 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Yeah feel like that was a comment made by Ben McDonald or something on a random broadcast and LSU fans have run with it.
i guess. i was more drawn to the idea that college baseball is somehow on par with AA ball
SEC baseball is probably equivalent, at its' absolute peak, to high A ball. More realistically the modern version of A ball once Low A was eliminated. Better than Rookie ball for the most part.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:07 pm to StroKat
quote:
The White Sox would sweep every time.
I wouldn’t say everytime. MLB teams lose to lesser teams all of the time. Baseball is a weird game.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:09 pm to Adam Banks
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Paul skenes couldn’t make it out of the first inning the first time he pitched in AA in 2023.
Yea he totally sucked when he made it to the majors a few months later.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:13 pm to vidtiger23
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Yea he totally sucked when he made it to the majors a few months later.
That was the following season.
With an offseason of MLB training, mlb spring training, mlb pitching development etc.
In 2023 in AA he went 0.2 innings and gave up 4 runs. He pitched one more time went 2 innings and then was shut down
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:20 pm to Adam Banks
You're taking a sample size out of his worst possible conditions lol. He had 6 weeks off after throwing the most he's ever thrown, went on a media circuit, then threw a pre-planned probably ~50 pitches.
June '23 Paul Skenes >>> August '23 Paul skenes
June '23 Paul Skenes >>> August '23 Paul skenes
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:26 pm to Adam Banks
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In 2023 in AA he went 0.2 innings and gave up 4 runs. He pitched one more time went 2 innings and then was shut down
Right, but you’re using one outing to make a statement that in no way he could have pitched against major league teams because he would have gotten shelled. That’s not how baseball works. He didn’t go from someone with not able to pitch to literally being an All-star in one off season.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:28 pm to ClientNumber9
Dylan crews won the golden spikes and is hitting sub .100 so far
It’s a different game in the bigs
It’s a different game in the bigs
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:52 pm to PP7 for heisman
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You're taking a sample size out of his worst possible conditions lol. He had 6 weeks off after throwing the most he's ever thrown, went on a media circuit, then threw a pre-planned probably ~50 pitches.
Rhett Lowder had a 4.31 era In double A in 2024 over 77 innings.
Is that a big enough sample size to say he would get knocked around in 2023 vs a major league lineup?
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:25 pm to ClientNumber9
They'd win some games. But it really all depends on the pitching matchups
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:37 pm to ClientNumber9
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Supposedly, college baseball is on par with AA
College baseball probably isn’t even on the low-A rookie ball level.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 4:18 pm to sorantable
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who is saying this?
Last week, Todd Walker said during one of the LSU broadcasts (can't remember which one) that big-time college baseball--SEC or ACC--is absolutely comparable to AA. Now, his word is not gospel and he might be wrong, but he had a successful MLB career and watches a LOT of college baseball. So I take his opinion as at least plausible--more so than the random assertions of any of us on a message board.
Those saying that college baseball is comparable to the low minors at best are not accounting for changes in the sport over the last decade. This may have been true twenty or thirty years ago, but the combination of NIL money and the substantially reduced size of the MLB draft has narrowed the gap between the upper minors and big-time college baseball considerably. The one major advantage that minor-league baseball does still have vis-a-vis the college game is the presence of talent from Latin America.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 5:27 pm to profwilson
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more so than the random assertions of any of us on a message board. Those saying that college baseball is comparable to the low minors at best are not accounting for changes in the sport over the last decade. This may have been true twenty or thirty years ago, but the combination of NIL money and the substantially reduced size of the MLB draft has narrowed the gap between the upper minors and big-time college baseball considerably. The one major advantage that minor-league baseball does still have vis-a-vis the college game is the presence of talent from Latin America.
This isn’t just random assertions.
Take 2023 LSU.
Unquestionably the top team in college baseball that year.
For every Paul skenes and Dylan crews who are rapid risers there were key players like Brayden Joubert or Jordan Thompson who struggles in A ball or even Hayden travinski Cade beloso or Alex millazo who don’t make it to there.
Hell even Tommy white ain’t setting the world on fire yet in A ball much less AA.
I just don’t see how you can call SEC hall equivalent to double A when even that team had half a team or more that won’t sniff AA.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 5:32 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Rhett Lowder also had a 1.17 ERA in the MLB in 2024 over 30.2 innings
Rhett Lowder had a 4.31 era In double A in 2024 over 77 innings.
Why are you just using the AA numbers?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 5:34 pm to sorantable
quote:No need to be hyperbolic. Your top end SEC series (what we're talking about here) have more talent than the average rookie ball game (low A doesn't exist anymore).
College baseball probably isn’t even on the low-A rookie ball level.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 5:36 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Rhett Lowder also had a 1.17 ERA in the MLB in 2024 over 30.2 innings Why are you just using the AA numbers?
Because you are talking about him facing MLB players in 2023z
How he faced mlb players at the end of 2024 after a season and a half of mlb system development is not how he would perform in 2023.
The closest we have is how he started in 2024 which would be his double A performance
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:17 pm to ClientNumber9
Baseball is not like football. An all star team of college players would be better than the 2024 White Sox.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:23 pm to reauxl tigers
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Baseball is not like football. An all star team of college players would be better than the 2024 White Sox.
The 2024 white Sox that you think so little of IS a college all star team plus an all star team of international prospects.
Just offhand they had two golden spikes winners on that team. A pitcher who was on the watchlist prior to Covid cancellation who became a mlb all star
One international prospect who was ranked number 2 overall
A 1st round draft pick out of high school who reached the number 10 overall prospect and hit 110 on the radar gun.
I mention the prospect ranking because that shows that they were having success at levels higher than college baseball.
That’s not going into the mass amount of 1-3 round draft picks out of college and high school who have multiple seasons worth of experience seeing and facing professional talent.
The notion that a college all star team is better than the 2024 white Sox is laughable
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:42 pm to ClientNumber9
Baseball is unique in that a starting pitcher can neutralize a major talent deficiency.
So an all-star team with Steven Strasbourg or Paul Skenes throwing their best stuff could definitely steal 1 of 3 from an MLB team having an off night.
It's probably the only scenario where a college team from any sport could beat their pro equivalents.
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