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re: CHC Thread | Post your Opening Day Lineup
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:53 pm to piggidyphish
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:53 pm to piggidyphish
Control issues are directly related to money. It's common knowledge that Boras clients generally do not sign extensions... generally. That doesn't mean they don't either. And as I pointed out, I completely understand it from the management perspective and I've also said it's more than likely he gets sent down.
You seem edgy today. If you've got a bone to pick, you're picking the wrong guy.
You seem edgy today. If you've got a bone to pick, you're picking the wrong guy.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:00 pm to papz
Don't do that. Don't project an emotion on me.
This is the only real debate among cubs fans right now (unless someone wants to go bold and say Edwin for 5th starter). Of course there are going to be sides and differing opinions. I think your side is silly. Sorry, but I do.
So you're theo/Jed. And you know there are rare exceptions to a rule. Do you start bryant in the majors and gamble that you can buck the trend for 10 games as opposed to knowing you'd be able to control the kid for 1 more year? Especially for this year where wc2 is a possibility but a lean one at that.
And I get your money argument but no one really cares about the money. They know they'll have to pay him arbitration after 2 years which is why the money aspect is irrelevant.
This is the only real debate among cubs fans right now (unless someone wants to go bold and say Edwin for 5th starter). Of course there are going to be sides and differing opinions. I think your side is silly. Sorry, but I do.
So you're theo/Jed. And you know there are rare exceptions to a rule. Do you start bryant in the majors and gamble that you can buck the trend for 10 games as opposed to knowing you'd be able to control the kid for 1 more year? Especially for this year where wc2 is a possibility but a lean one at that.
And I get your money argument but no one really cares about the money. They know they'll have to pay him arbitration after 2 years which is why the money aspect is irrelevant.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:10 pm to piggidyphish
You say no one really cares about the money and that it's irrelevant but you keep stressing that extra year of control. Do you not see the direct correlation between the two? It is about money if not we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you think starting him off in the majors this season is silly, cool... I absolutely get it. But let's not kid ourselves and say it's not about the money.
I'm sorry that the lineup I would like to see on opening day ruffled your feathers so much dude. Have an e-hug.
I'm sorry that the lineup I would like to see on opening day ruffled your feathers so much dude. Have an e-hug.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:16 pm to papz
Ok so either the cubs pay arbitration cost or free agent cost in 2021 or conversely how many years of arbitration they'd have to buy out (if he were to be the very rare exception) But that's not the disagreement. No one is saying he's not going to be worth it or they don't want to pay him (that's why financials can be ignored). It's simply will they have him on the roster in 2021...or not so they can have 10 games in 2015. So yea if you think that's worth it it's silly.
Seriously. Ruffled feathers...projected emotions..gifs? C'mon guy.
I want him on the opening day lineup too...if there weren't caveats that make doing so silly.
Seriously. Ruffled feathers...projected emotions..gifs? C'mon guy.
I want him on the opening day lineup too...if there weren't caveats that make doing so silly.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:24 pm to piggidyphish
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Not to be a dick but, who? Because I've seen no one related to the cubs say anything even hinting at that.
Phil Rogers, mainly. Though he's not a Cub writer any more, he's still more connected in the organization than pretty much anyone. A few other talking heads on MLB Radio all agreed that they project him to be up for opening day.
And signing a 31 year old pitcher to a team where the average starting player will be like 24 is the ultimate win now move. That tells me this is no longer a slow build
And dumping Renteria, who's team showed progress at the end of last season, for Maddon, is another ultimate win now move. That is not conventional in today's game. Maddon and co also promoted Longoria back in 08 after 10 games, and he turned out to help them win the pennant that year. He realizes the inportance of every game.
They aren't slow playing this thing.
As for Boras, when is the last time a relevant player benefitted from his tactics? I can't even name any of his clients other than AROD. Anyway, the Cubs aren't some small time rinky dink franchise like the Twins or Royals. They have deep pockets and can throw everything at Bryant to meet his demands before he hits free agency. If he doesn't want to work on a new contract before he becomes a FA, then you just get in on the bidding. He's going to cost a ton if he's the stud everyone thinks. The guy wants to play in the bigs now and is ready; not only is he helping the team win first and foremost, it's a good faith move on the Cubs part for Bryant and the fans. Show they really want to win and DGAF about financials
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:34 pm to piggidyphish
You should make up your mind. So is it about the money or isn't it? You say it isn't then you bring up control. Control = cost. Then you bring up cost, but it's not about the money. Your problem is that you're already working with the assumption that he's not going to sign an extension because he's a Boras client. If he's a good as he's projected to be, if the Cubs threw a ton of cash at him, it'll get done... especially since money is irrelevant.
What? You didn't like that gif? I thought it was hilarious.
Oh and once again, I get why you think it's silly. I think the process is silly... which is besides the point. It makes perfect sense and it's the smart thing to do. Wait... I already said that. I also said it's not my money so what do I care. I'm a fan, not Theo Epstein.
What? You didn't like that gif? I thought it was hilarious.
Oh and once again, I get why you think it's silly. I think the process is silly... which is besides the point. It makes perfect sense and it's the smart thing to do. Wait... I already said that. I also said it's not my money so what do I care. I'm a fan, not Theo Epstein.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:38 pm to GynoSandberg
Certainly not a slow build. But not a sellout for this year by any stretch...the one thing I hope we can all agree on is its mlb ready talent acquisition time not minor leaguers.
Yea we discussed the mlb radio/tv guys in another thread (stared by sad banana after they said it was time). Pretty much the same discussion there. Do you trade 10 game (I think it'll actually be more because they'll bring him up on the road not at home) for another year.
I think it's be a rash move, and nothing about this front office leads me to think they'd be blinded by public outcry.
As for boras clients who didn't sign an extension and benefited greatly I'm sure you can think of one...max scherzer
Yea we discussed the mlb radio/tv guys in another thread (stared by sad banana after they said it was time). Pretty much the same discussion there. Do you trade 10 game (I think it'll actually be more because they'll bring him up on the road not at home) for another year.
I think it's be a rash move, and nothing about this front office leads me to think they'd be blinded by public outcry.
As for boras clients who didn't sign an extension and benefited greatly I'm sure you can think of one...max scherzer
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:44 pm to papz
It's not about the money. It's about control. I just jumped into that since it's where you want to steer it and that's the discussion you want to have so I obliged. Obviously money has it's place but bryant being on or not being on the opening say roster is not a money first concern directly.
I do fall in the camp that if bryant is as advertised he will not sign an extension. That's where I am working from. And I don't think there are sufficient indicators that I'd gamble otherwise if I was responsible for fielding a team for the cubs.
I agree the process is silly. Next to the international free agent money vs american kids money service time is the stupidest non on the field thing in baseball that needs significant overhaul.
I do fall in the camp that if bryant is as advertised he will not sign an extension. That's where I am working from. And I don't think there are sufficient indicators that I'd gamble otherwise if I was responsible for fielding a team for the cubs.
I agree the process is silly. Next to the international free agent money vs american kids money service time is the stupidest non on the field thing in baseball that needs significant overhaul.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:55 pm to piggidyphish
Money = control
As for Scherzer, he's only been pitching at his current high level for 2 or 3 years. DET wasn't going to pay him huge money for a small body of work. By the time he proved he was a legit ace, it was going in to 2014 and he was on the brink of FA. He basically bet on himself last year by calling of negotiations before the season started.
For Bryant, he would be coming in on year 1 of 6. After year 3 or 4, you know if he's a stud or dud. If he's a stud, you throw big money at him for a new contract. If he doesn't want to ink up, he runs the risk of playing out 2 or 3 more years and getting hurt or just flat out sucking. Pressure is on him.
Also, I remember The blue jays holding brett Lawrie back a few years back. Dude broke his hand in like the 5th game in the minors. Another thing to consider
As for Scherzer, he's only been pitching at his current high level for 2 or 3 years. DET wasn't going to pay him huge money for a small body of work. By the time he proved he was a legit ace, it was going in to 2014 and he was on the brink of FA. He basically bet on himself last year by calling of negotiations before the season started.
For Bryant, he would be coming in on year 1 of 6. After year 3 or 4, you know if he's a stud or dud. If he's a stud, you throw big money at him for a new contract. If he doesn't want to ink up, he runs the risk of playing out 2 or 3 more years and getting hurt or just flat out sucking. Pressure is on him.
Also, I remember The blue jays holding brett Lawrie back a few years back. Dude broke his hand in like the 5th game in the minors. Another thing to consider
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:01 pm to GynoSandberg
I understand they could pay him and buy it out...sorry if I represented otherwise but the way I see the kris bryant on the opening day roster issue is 10 games=another year of control. I will happily submit that that is a remedial explanation of it and there are so many other factors. But at its basics that's what it is.
I support the plan of throw money at him of he's even half of what we hope for. But for me, the chance that he says thanks but no thanks I want to play this thing out and test free agency (like shark told us for the past 3 years) is not with 10 games. And I'd be shocked if he was on the opening day roster base don that. It's just 10 games for so much more benefit.
I just see boras riding bryant the way he did cano.
I support the plan of throw money at him of he's even half of what we hope for. But for me, the chance that he says thanks but no thanks I want to play this thing out and test free agency (like shark told us for the past 3 years) is not with 10 games. And I'd be shocked if he was on the opening day roster base don that. It's just 10 games for so much more benefit.
I just see boras riding bryant the way he did cano.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 8:59 am to piggidyphish
Posted on 3/21/15 at 4:58 pm to Maximus
Bryant with two more HRs today. One off Felix.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:15 pm to MasterBetty
Anyone else want to update on this eve of the eve of Cubs baseball?
Old:
New:
Fowler CF
Coughlan LF
Rizzo 1B
Soler RF
Castro SS
Olt 3b
Ross C
Lester P
LaStella 2b
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Fowler
Lastella
RizzOMG
Soler
Castro
Olt
Montero
Coughlin
Lester.
New:
Fowler CF
Coughlan LF
Rizzo 1B
Soler RF
Castro SS
Olt 3b
Ross C
Lester P
LaStella 2b
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:31 pm to MasterBetty
Hamilton-CF
Frazier-3B
Votto-1B
Mesoraco-C
Bruce-RF
Byrd-LF
Phillips-2B
Cozart-SS
Cueto-P
Frazier-3B
Votto-1B
Mesoraco-C
Bruce-RF
Byrd-LF
Phillips-2B
Cozart-SS
Cueto-P
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:36 pm to msudawg1200
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msudawg1200
Cubs roster looks like shite with all those guys on it.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:43 pm to piggidyphish
I am keeping mine the same except replace Baez with AA or La Stella.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:56 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Check out the Adidas billboard in Wrigley
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:10 am to piggidyphish
Soler will be in the two hole.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:20 am to HoustonTiger2008
Why do you think that?
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:24 am to GynoSandberg
Because as Maddon has been filling out the lineup card closer to what the regular season lineup will be Soler has been hitting in the two hole. He hit in the two hole last night in a lineup that will probably be very similar to opening night. Maddon has also said numerous times that he likes the idea of soler in the two hole.
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