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re: Carmello says, Olympic..
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:05 pm to Maximus
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:05 pm to Maximus
Kobe said long before the Olympics that if he had played college basketball he would have gone to Duke. And while I doubt he really changed anyone's lives, all of the players involved in both 2004 and 2008 seemed to like him a hell of a lot more than Larry Brown.
The Lakers offered him 5 years for 40 million pretty much to appease Kobe. He has coached guys like Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Dahntay Jones, Laettner,and Battier. He would not have struggled to convey his message to NBA player like Carlesimo who coached Terry Dehere, Arturas Karnišovas, Luther Wright, and a bunch of kids from St. Benedict's.
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The Lakers offered him 5 years for 40 million pretty much to appease Kobe. He has coached guys like Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Dahntay Jones, Laettner,and Battier. He would not have struggled to convey his message to NBA player like Carlesimo who coached Terry Dehere, Arturas Karnišovas, Luther Wright, and a bunch of kids from St. Benedict's.
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This post was edited on 5/9/09 at 5:11 pm
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Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:07 pm to Keys Open Doors
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The Lakers offered him 5 years for 40 million pretty much to appease Kobe. He has coached guys like Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Dahntay Jones, Laettner,and Battier. He would not have struggled to convey his message to NBA player like Carlesimo who coached Terry Dehere, Artūras Karnišovas, Luther Wright, and a bunch of kids from St. Benedict's.
There ya go! Terry Dehere, damn, you went old school. But I really would like to see him give it a shot.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:09 pm to luckylefty
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THis is a first. Borderline 5! But I did see where he is trying to bring them in. He's missing big time though.
What are you talking about? Hairston is a 5-star on Rivals and not on Scout, while Dawkins is the opposite. Duke has recruited tons of guys who were in the 20-40 range which is the definition of borderline 5 stars.
If he gets Harrison Barnes (and Duke is considered the leader), that is probably the best recruiting class in the country for 2010, and it will be cemented even before the start of the 2009-2010 season. 2008 was a pretty shitty year for recruiting and 2009 will be disappointing as well if Wall does not come, but he's not really missing out on too much for 2010.
The boost in ranking is much more with McDonald's and Parade All-Americans than it is with Rivals/Scout rankings. That's why I didn't include those two honors in my previous post.
This post was edited on 5/9/09 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:12 pm to Keys Open Doors
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If he gets Harrison Barnes (and Duke is considered the leader), that is probably the best recruiting class in the country for 2010, and it will be cemented even before the start of the 2009-2010 season. 2008 was a pretty shitty year for recruiting and 2009 will be disappointing as well if Wall does not come, but
Ive been skeptical about this 2010 class for a while now. I dont see it happening. Maybe b/c of previous recruiting disappointments but I doubt they all go.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:14 pm to Keys Open Doors
he recruits highly-regarded players, but he gets guys who he thinks will stay 4 years
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he recruits highly-regarded players, but he gets guys who he thinks will stay 4 years
I may be in the minority, but I think even a team like Duke stands to win more national championships with one-and-dones.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:15 pm to luckylefty
As far as I know, Duke has had one decommitment as long as Coach K has been in charge (Kris Humphries in 2003), unless we are counting Shaun Livingston going into the NBA draft. That's a pretty good record if you ask me. The only player I am remotely concerned about is Barnes, but the other 3 seem like locks.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:17 pm to Stagg8
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I may be in the minority, but I think even a team like Duke stands to win more national championships with one-and-dones.
you are only in the minority if the majority is stupid.
wait, yeah....you are in the minority.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:18 pm to Keys Open Doors
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As far as I know, Duke has had one decommitment as long as Coach K has been in charge (Kris Humphries in 2003), unless we are counting Shaun Livingston going into the NBA draft. That's a pretty good record if you ask me. The only player I am remotely concerned about is Barnes, but the other 3 seem like locks.
Im talking about his close calls like patrick patterson, Monroe, Bledsoe, etc. I dont think hes putting as much effort into recruiting guys like T Evans.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is that supposed to be his fault? Highly regarded recruits get tons of offers, and they turn down lots of top programs. Monroe, Patterson, Wright, and Boynton have all said that Duke was on their list of final 3 schools.
I still don't see how anyone expected McRoberts, Henderson, Singler, Deng, and Livingston to stay 4 years (even if most of them weren't considered one and done players by the recruiting services).
I still don't see how anyone expected McRoberts, Henderson, Singler, Deng, and Livingston to stay 4 years (even if most of them weren't considered one and done players by the recruiting services).
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:22 pm to Stagg8
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I may be in the minority, but I think even a team like Duke stands to win more national championships with one-and-dones.
i think k is starting to recruit the super talented guys who are a threat to leave real early again b/c of this
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't think he ever stopped
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:23 pm to luckylefty
Bledsoe never got an offer since he is still not academically qualified. However, the rest of the guys you mentioned were guys who were considering Duke down the stretch, not actual commitments. I sincerely doubt Duke will sign Irving and Knight, along with Smith, but the 3 guys they have already gotten commitments from are very solid.
There are all kinds of one and dones. Some of them, like Tyreke Evans and Renardo Sidney, are not going to be recruited by Duke. Others like Brandon Knight, who has a 3.8 gpa at one of the most elite private schools in South Florida, are definitely going to be recruiting priorities for Duke.
There are all kinds of one and dones. Some of them, like Tyreke Evans and Renardo Sidney, are not going to be recruited by Duke. Others like Brandon Knight, who has a 3.8 gpa at one of the most elite private schools in South Florida, are definitely going to be recruiting priorities for Duke.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:24 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Is that supposed to be his fault?
no. it's a strategy decision
i think the results speak for themselves
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I still don't see how anyone expected McRoberts, Henderson, Singler, Deng, and Livingston to stay 4 years (even if most of them weren't considered one and done players by the recruiting services).
i think deng and livingston were the nails in the coffin that avery began building
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
i think it was an ego decision. Coach K thought nobody would dare leave him early to get paid millions. It started happening and he got his feelings hurt. He decided to prove common knowledge wrong but failed, and again has to recruit the same number of one and done guys as other elite programs.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 5:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think the results speak for themselves
What exactly are the results? That top recruits who get offers from each of the top 10 schools in the country end up turning down 9 of the top 10 schools when they make a decision?
If Deng and Livingston were the nails in the coffin, but Wall is a sign that he is reversing trends, then you are talking about a period from 2005 to 2008, where K offered and got extremely serious interest from Brandan Wright, Kyle Singler, Patrick Patterson, Greg Monroe, and Elliot Williams.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 6:10 pm to Maximus
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I think once Maggette, Brand and Will Avery all left early Coach K decided to start going after more nerdy white dudes with less talent that would stay 4 years. I think they might have actually been his first guys to leave early ever and I know for sure William Avery had pretty shitty academics and they made an exeption for him.
Home run max. Guy I work with is a big time Duke basketball fan (also on alum). According to him, Coach K had the admissions department let some people in who normally would have no chance. These players knew they were given this chance and bolted as soon as the first agent told them they would be millionaires in the NBA. Coach K felt shitty that he vouched for these guys only for them to barely maintain grades to be eligible to play then leaving early for the NBA.
He still gets all the McDonalds all Americans he wants. His teams have lacked toughness the last few years. That has been their downfall, IMO.
It is all relative though, Duke is still one of the best programs in the country and will be as long as Coach K is there.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 6:19 pm to skullhawk
Your friend is wrong. The class that had a lot of players leave early had only one kid with shitty academics (Will Avery), and he was the least highly-regarded prospect in the bunch. Battier was excellent when it came to academics, Chris Burgess was solid as well. Brand was nothing exceptional, but Duke had let in players who had worse academics than him in the past and have let in many players with similar stats since. I still think it's pretty funny that Chris Burgess was considered the biggest recruit in that class, at least at the time all of the players had signed.
Since 1999, Duke has lost more players to the NBA than just those three guys (Maggette, Brand, and Avery). Hell, they lost a guy just yesterday, when Henderson signed with an agent.
I agree that the past few teams have lost because the players are very skinny and shy away from physical contact, but that is because K has lost out on a lot of bulky 4-year players like Jon Brockman, Geoff McDermott, Gary Johnson, and Greg Echenique all went elsewhere. Also, Jamal Boykin transferred. All of these guys got offers from K.
Since 1999, Duke has lost more players to the NBA than just those three guys (Maggette, Brand, and Avery). Hell, they lost a guy just yesterday, when Henderson signed with an agent.
I agree that the past few teams have lost because the players are very skinny and shy away from physical contact, but that is because K has lost out on a lot of bulky 4-year players like Jon Brockman, Geoff McDermott, Gary Johnson, and Greg Echenique all went elsewhere. Also, Jamal Boykin transferred. All of these guys got offers from K.
Posted on 5/9/09 at 7:02 pm to luckylefty
Big 3 there from Melo
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