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re: Bonds Guilty of obstruction of justice

Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:26 pm to
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:26 pm to
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I am TIRED OF BONDS THINKING he is bettr than ANYONE.

But he is. He is a better baseball player than anyone alive with the exception of maybe his godfather, Willie Mays. I think everyone on this website would join me in writing, I AM TIRED OF DUKKE V THINKING he is better than ANYONE.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:52 pm to
why do we always get shitty celebrity trial results from cali?
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:29 pm to
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We are talking about hitting. Power #s are part of hitting.



So Adam Dunn and his 40 bombs is as good of a hitter as Ty Cobb and his 360 average, got it.

Carlos Pena approves of this message.

This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 9:52 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79254 posts
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:57 pm to
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In total, Page 2 estimates that 66 Bonds home runs would have landed inside the fence sans his alleged steroids use. Again, this is an approximation. But is our guess wholly unreasonable?


And to add to that, Page 2 was only counting the extra distance. But increasing the bat speed also allows him a very small (but in a game like baseball, significant) amount of extra time to decide whether to swing. Better pitch selection also helps.

Wish I knew where to find it but someone else adjusted Barroid's career total to 600 based on that, plus a few other factors.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140708 posts
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:02 pm to
So why do the writers discount shorter fences, smaller yard, tighter wound balls, smaller zones, and other factors? Oh wait nevermind Bonds obstructed justice so he is out of hof because I'm Bob Ryan and I'm the ultimate authority on all.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31210 posts
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:02 pm to
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And to add to that, Page 2 was only counting the extra distance. But increasing the bat speed also allows him a very small (but in a game like baseball, significant) amount of extra time to decide whether to swing. Better pitch selection also helps.

Wish I knew where to find it but someone else adjusted Barroid's career total to 600 based on that, plus a few other factors.


On the other hand, I would like to see how many career home runs all the top guys would have had if they all played in the same ballpark. Bonds and Mays suffered due to the fact that played mostly in San Francisco with low elevation and potentially damning winds and dimensions. Otherwise, Hank Aaron played in much more hitter friendly ballpark. That would be more interesting, in my opinion.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:21 pm to
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It has been quite a while since someone looked as silly as H-Town Tiger has been made to look in this thread.


You just have to think, why would Barry take the cream and clear if there were no benefits, if it didn't help his performance? Surely it wasn't just to help him fill out his uniform. Sure, Barry was already talented. Alot of people couldn't do what he did even with cream and clear and no, it can't help make you hit a baseball. But, there has to be some benefits to it.
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
Washington DC
Member since May 2009
2918 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 6:20 am to
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So Adam Dunn and his 40 bombs is as good of a hitter as Ty Cobb and his 360 average, got it.


You are like an angry woman in an argument......jumping to an extreme in a desperate attempt to salvage a failed point.

Go read the articles about Bonds today. Read Stark's editorial on ESPN. Bonds is constantly referred to as the "HR King." His power #s are his legacy. This is where the steroids had a major impact. Everyone can recognize this but you. Facts seem to be meaningless to you. I just don't know where you want the conversation to go at this point.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60775 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 8:02 am to
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they just take them to help them sleep


And we know extenze will help you grow a bigger dick because the commercials say so.

You know abouts guys that took stuff and did well. What about the guys that took and didn't? It they are this magic elixir then everyone that took should improve and that's not the case.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 8:08 am to
Why did you post that again?
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
Washington DC
Member since May 2009
2918 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:16 am to
And we know extenze will help you grow a bigger dick because the commercials say so.

You know abouts guys that took stuff and did well. What about the guys that took and didn't? It they are this magic elixir then everyone that took should improve and that's not the case.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60775 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:37 am to
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they just take them to help them sleep


And we know extenze will help you grow a bigger dick because the commercials say so.

You know abouts guys that took stuff and did well. What about the guys that took and didn't? It they are this magic elixir then everyone that took should improve and that's not the case.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:44 am to
Your boy Bonds took products that enhanced his performance. He had an edge over folk who didn't use those products.
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:20 am to
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Read Stark's editorial on ESPN. Bonds is constantly referred to as the "HR King." His power #s are his legacy. This is where the steroids had a major impact. Everyone can recognize this but you. Facts seem to be meaningless to you. I just don't know where you want the conversation to go at this point


I never disputed Bonds.
The guy was an elite hitter with good power his whole career, he was perfect for steroids.

All I was arguing is it doesnt turn a below average hitter into a good one.
It's just my opinion and perspective, you look at it differently and I get that.
This post was edited on 4/14/11 at 10:22 am
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64600 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:36 am to
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H-Town Tiger


You are way wrong on this argument. I saw a couple of .250, less than 5 home run, college baseball hitters go home for the summer, come back two months later 25 lbs heavier from admittedly using steroids. Both had All-Conference years hitting over .350 with 12+ home runs.

As has been already stated, if steroids doesn't help you hit a baseball, then why were 70% of MLB players juicing in the late 1990s-early 2000s? Why did Big Papi go from a great hitter to a poor hitter once he stopped juicing? Why did Manny Ramirez have such sub-standard seasons once he got popped for steroid use?
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31411 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 11:04 am to
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mistrial on other 3


Yet another waste of millions of dollars in taxpayers money. Nice going.
Posted by nofear67
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
2308 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 6:51 pm to
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It most certainly does. Just because you hear an idiotic statement repeated a bunch of times doesn't make it true.

Your defense of this makes your statement idiotic. Was he not able to hit a baseball before the allegations? Have you seen someone who could not hit a baseball indulge in steroids then hit a baseball? Geez!
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79254 posts
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:11 pm to
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He is a better baseball player than anyone alive with the exception of maybe his godfather, Willie Mays


Albert Pujols would like a word with you.
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