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re: Blown Up on the Bayou: How the Saints Ended Up in Salary-Cap Hell
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Player Year Total Guaranteed Length Per year Actual Earnings
Joe Flacco 2013 $120.6 million ?? 6 years $20.1m N/A
Drew Brees 2012 $100 million $60 million1 5 $20m $40m
Calvin Johnson 2012 $132 million2 $37.25 million 8 $16.5 m $17.25m
Larry Fitzgerald 2011 $120m $45m3 8 $15m $40.25m
Michael Vick 2011 $100 million4 $35.5 million 6 $16.67m $32.5m
Eli Manning 2009 $106.9 million5 $35 million 7 $15.3m $58.75
Albert Haynesworth 2009 $100m $41m 7 $14.3m $32m6
Ben Roethlisberger 2008 $102million $33.2m 8 $12.75m $72.7m
Carson Palmer 2005 $118.75 million7 $27m 9 $12.25m $74.75m
Michael Vick 2004 $130m $37m8 10 $13m $39m
Daunte Culpepper 2003 $102m $16m 109 $10.2m ??
Donovan McNabb 2002 $115m $20.5m 1210 $9.58m $62m
Brett Favre 2001 $101.5m $22m 1011 $10.5m $62.5m
Drew Bledsoe 2001 $103m $24m 10 $10.3 $15m 12
Saints did fine with their deal for a QB who was severely underpaid for several years up until bounty gate no other quarterback or team had more wins than Drew Brees since he joined the Saints in 2006.
Every QB makes 100 million now so STFU about the quarterback.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:05 pm to GynoSandberg
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you are becoming the biggest saintard on TD, baw
at least he is bringing empirical evidence to the table instead of rabble-the sky is falling-rabble baw.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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you are becoming the biggest saintard on TD, baw
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:07 pm to GynoSandberg
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you are becoming the biggest saintard on TD, baw
Nah, that award goes to the idiots calling for Drew to be traded and Sean Payton to be fired.
I'm aware of the Saints shortcomings. Maybe my thought process is wrong, but I've backed it up with data. I'm calling for long time Saints to be cut.
But please, explain to me how I'm wrong instead of insulting me like a 12 year old
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:11 pm to TigerBait1127
I don't think you understand. You act like restructuring creates cap space with no repercussions, they will pay for it down the line. They are probably paying for last offseason with this current situation. I can't fathom why you think this offseason will be an easier fix than last. They were closer to the cap last offseason and had will smith to cut to get them even. You listed six guys to cut just to get to even.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:12 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
The head of a team that went 8-8 last year, Jay Culter signed a seven year, $126.7 million dollar deal
January Romo’s deal, worth $108 million
Matt Ryan is the first of two quarterbacks in this list’s top four that had not won a Super Bowl before signing a lucrative contract with his club. The Falcons went all in on Ryan in June 2013, and by the look of last year’s campaign, they might not be so excited about the contract right about now — even if he played well.
At least the Saints midget at least won a Superbowl, unlike these scrubs
January Romo’s deal, worth $108 million
Matt Ryan is the first of two quarterbacks in this list’s top four that had not won a Super Bowl before signing a lucrative contract with his club. The Falcons went all in on Ryan in June 2013, and by the look of last year’s campaign, they might not be so excited about the contract right about now — even if he played well.
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Matt Ryan just took a giant leap up the quarterback pay scale, striking a five-year, $103.75 million extension with the Atlanta Falcons on Thursday that makes him the NFL's second-highest paid player, a person with knowledge of the deal told USA TODAY Sports.
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No matter that Ryan hasn't even reached a Super Bowl. His new deal — with a $63 million three-year payout that is the most in league history — contains an average salary of $20.75 million that ranks second to the $22 million average garnered by Green Bay Packers star Aaron Rodgers in April. It leapfrogs the $20.1 million average that Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco received with his six-year, $120.6 million deal in March, at the time the biggest deal in NFL history.
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Back in June, the San Francisco 49ers signed Colin Kapernick to the largest guaranteed amount ever given to an NFL quarterback,
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Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers struck a deal ... is worth more than $110 million -- including a record $61 million guaranteed
At least the Saints midget at least won a Superbowl, unlike these scrubs
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:17 pm to floridatigah
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You act like restructuring creates cap space with no repercussions, they will pay for it down the line.
I literally addressed that
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It also leaves us us with about $55 million for 2016 allowing restructures.
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They were closer to the cap last offseason and had will smith to cut to get them even.
While ignoring that we had to resign Graham to a huge contract and also signed Byrd
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You listed six guys to cut just to get to even.
No, I listed 6 guys that we should consider cutting to save money. Brees and Junior are going to free up a lot of money.
Junior's cap hit is all next year when he's signed until 2019. Obviously going to turn that into a bonus. Brees will also be a up for an extension and restructure.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:18 pm to floridatigah
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I don't think you understand. You act like restructuring creates cap space with no repercussions, they will pay for it down the line. They are probably paying for last offseason with this current situation. I can't fathom why you think this offseason will be an easier fix than last. They were closer to the cap last offseason and had will smith to cut to get them even. You listed six guys to cut just to get to even.
I mean, last year, saints fans want to claim that the cuts to "old" players didn't hurt their team at all, but it obviously did. Even KV sees it.
Now, the Saints will have to make another round of big cuts, and Saints fans will say "they were playing poorly, it won't hurt us at all".
This will be a second year of huge cuts in order to get under salary cap to sign draft picks and attempt a FA pickup or 2.
Loomis was great. He created a lot of years of signing great players in order to make the team the most successful during Bree's prime years. However, surely you can see that Loomis's cap plan is finally catching up with the Saints and hurting yall?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:19 pm to lsutigers1992
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Why does literally EVERY story about Louisiana has to use the phrase "on the bayou?"
it's even worse since New Orleans is on a river, not a bayou
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:23 pm to Indfanfromcol
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I mean, last year, saints fans want to claim that the cuts to "old" players didn't hurt their team at all, but it obviously did. Even KV sees it.
Except those cuts on defense weren't really salary cap related. We lost Harper and Jenkins from the defense last year and signed Byrd. Now I think we miss their leadership.
Vilma and Will Smith didn't play last year anyways. We hurt ourselves by not cutting them 1 year sooner.
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However, surely you can see that Loomis's cap plan is finally catching up with the Saints and hurting yall?
I think that the contracts to Grubbs and Evans compared to their performance have crushed the team this year. They're taking $21 million in cap space and playing terrible. That is the reason I want to get rid of them.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:24 pm to TH03
Loomis has built quite a mediocre and overpaid roster.
And a shitty drafter to boot.
Why is he held in such high regard again? He seems to still be living off of getting Brees right (well, in 2006) and Payton right.
And a shitty drafter to boot.
Why is he held in such high regard again? He seems to still be living off of getting Brees right (well, in 2006) and Payton right.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:26 pm to TigerBait1127
The saints were able to sign graham because they only paid him 4 million this year, again, passing the money down the line.
Does that 55 million include 0$ in dead money?
Does that 55 million include 0$ in dead money?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:31 pm to TigerBait1127
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Except those cuts on defense weren't really salary cap related. We lost Harper and Jenkins from the defense last year and signed Byrd. Now I think we miss their leadership.
I thought cutting both Jenkins and Harper were very important in getting under the cap?
And regardless, both are playing well right now. If neither were cap related, why weren't they kept and the money used for Byrd spent elsewhere, like at linebacker? Or a Center?
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I think that the contracts to Grubbs and Evans compared to their performance have crushed the team this year. They're taking $21 million in cap space and playing terrible. That is the reason I want to get rid of them.
They might not be playing at the level they are being paid this year, but that still doesn't mean they will both be easy to replace. You can maybe bring in one rookie at guard to fill in, but 2 rookie guards? Playing beside your center (who has been shaky all season from what I have heard). They might not be playing up to their money's worth, but that doesn't mean you will find someone who will play better or even at the level they have.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:33 pm to floridatigah
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The saints were able to sign graham because they only paid him 4 million this year, again, passing the money down the line.
That is my entire point. We can create the space to keep pushing the money down the line until Drew retires and the cap continues to rise.
That is our strategy. I'm aware of the bubble being created.
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Does that 55 million include 0$ in dead money?
Not sure what you mean by $0 in dead money for 2016. The dead money would be applied to the 2015 season. We currently have $11+ million in 2016 if the cap is set at $150 million. Those moves (we won't make all of them) pushes that number to $55 million.
Now I would expect Junior's numbers to even out bringing that number slightly down. A Drew extension might even help out 2016.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:35 pm to TigerBait1127
I feel like this thread is going like this:
Tigerbait: We're pushing the cap money down the line until Brees retires.
Falcons fans: You're in denial! You're pushing money down the line!
Tigerbait: That's what I said...
Tigerbait: We're pushing the cap money down the line until Brees retires.
Falcons fans: You're in denial! You're pushing money down the line!
Tigerbait: That's what I said...
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:38 pm to Indfanfromcol
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I thought cutting both Jenkins and Harper were very important in getting under the cap?
We didn't cut Jenkins, he was a free agent.
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And regardless, both are playing well right now.
Harper has been horrible. Jenkins has been okay. You can't tell me that you'd chose Jenkins > Byrd last year. Byrd was a lot more expensive.
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like at linebacker? Or a Center?
I think the failure too draft a C was a huge mistake.
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You can maybe bring in one rookie at guard to fill in, but 2 rookie guards?
I think we go FA for 1 of them and draft one. I also think we may try and get Grubbs to stay for less money.
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They might not be playing up to their money's worth, but that doesn't mean you will find someone who will play better or even at the level they have.
I don't think you understand how bad Evans has been. It is near impossible for someone to play worse.
And yes, we're pushing the money down the line until Drew retires.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:39 pm to TigerBait1127
Those players you are advocating cutting have dead money for 2016, but you aren't including that in your 2016 cap space.
Like you said, saints are projected for 10 million in cap space in 2016 right now, which is the least in the league. The next closest is 40 million. If that doesn't put in perspective that the saints are in a bad spot then I don't know what to tell you.
Like you said, saints are projected for 10 million in cap space in 2016 right now, which is the least in the league. The next closest is 40 million. If that doesn't put in perspective that the saints are in a bad spot then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:40 pm to TigerBait1127
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That is my entire point. We can create the space to keep pushing the money down the line until Drew retires and the cap continues to rise.
Yeah, but the problem at this point is that yall are having to push money down JUST to get under the Cap.
At this point, yall will have to push 20 million to get under, and then an additional 7 million if yall end up with a top 10 draft pick.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:42 pm to floridatigah
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Seems like saints fans are in denial about this situation.
have been for a while.
You can still be in cap hell and move things around. But to do it every year to the extreme like we have to do because we suck at drafting, will eventually catch up to you.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:43 pm to floridatigah
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Those players you are advocating cutting have dead money for 2016, but you aren't including that in your 2016 cap space.
False, I am including that in the 2016 cap space. I'm using the overthecap calculator, feel free to play around with it.
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Like you said, saints are projected for 10 million in cap space in 2016 right now, which is the least in the league. The next closest is 40 million. If that doesn't put in perspective that the saints are in a bad spot then I don't know what to tell you.
I can't address this anymore than I already have. Are you intentionally choosing to ignore everything that I'm writing?
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