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re: Bill Belichick's winning pct w/O Tom Brady is .430

Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:36 pm to
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:36 pm to
I will say people who just put the Browns years there, while completely forgoing any sort of background, are insane. It was a mediocre team with an over the hill QB that ownership and the media sided with. The owner also up and moved to Baltimore soon after, so let's not act like it wasn't chaotic.
Posted by lsujag
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:39 pm to
You do realize the first 2-3 Super Bowls were the defense not Brady. After that, I won’t argue with you but the early Brady years weren’t him winning the championships
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 5:59 pm to
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^^^^^^
THIS

His so incurably arrogant, that I don't care if the questions now are unfair. frick him.

That said, OP stats are not really a reasonable comparison.

"Stats without Brady" includes the Browns run which, well, the Browns. But, more importantly, a much more reasonable comparison would be of his run with the Patriouts "stats without Brady" vs all of those other coaches "stats when their starting QB went down".

At least that would be a more direct comparison.

Regardless. frick Bill Belichick. LOL

Remember, those were the Ravens that Bill was with, not the current Browns.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:00 pm to
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You do realize the first 2-3 Super Bowls were the defense not Brady. After that, I won’t argue with you but the early Brady years weren’t him winning the championships

He definitely gets credit for the 2nd one. 354 yards and 3 tds.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
54215 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:15 pm to
Why does media give him such a pass with his bs press conferences before and after games
You owe the media who are doing their jobs more than the one liners and no insight he gives
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108785 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:25 pm to
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He definitely gets credit for the 2nd one. 354 yards and 3 tds.
Well if you want to use just the super bowl stats who gets the credit for the ones where they won 13-3?
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:29 pm to
Then Bill gets the blame for losing to the Eagles when Brady had 500 yards.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:30 pm to
And then Tom gets the blame for losing to the giants both times where the defense played lights out
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:42 pm to
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And then Tom gets the blame for losing to the giants both times where the defense played lights out

2020 broke you.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:20 pm to
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Bill Belichick's winning pct w/O Tom Brady is .430

You hate to see it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:28 pm to
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2020 broke you.

And your own logic broke you in this thread

This isn’t difficult people, Bill had the Pats consistently with a top 5 defense in the nfl. Almost every year for two decades

Brady had the Pats with a top 5 offense every year for 2 decades. You combine that and you are going to get a lot of wins

Brady picked a team to go to that was extremely good everywhere besides QB. So he continues to win

Bill replaced brady with a Qb who was horrific last year and then with a rookie. That isn’t going to get you a lot of wins
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 8:30 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:36 pm to
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Bill Belichick's winning pct w/O Tom Brady is .430


The greatest coach/QB combo of all-time

I never doubt his defensive acumen and his willingness to do trick/gutsy plays. He stank his first year at NE, Cleveland was a work and progress which ultimately collapsed due to the Move, last year was insane with all the covid opt outs on that team. This year is basically a year of reckoning for his head coach rep because he doesn't have those excuses anymore. I do think New England's first 3 SBs are more due to the Pats' running game and defense than they were Brady in a small manner.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5851 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:42 pm to
I will say this about Brady. He was on the bench at the end of the game and you could see he was freaking furious. He was stewing like a pissed off girlfriend. After a early season game away to a super bowl favorite in his 20-something season at the age of 44 with Seven rings to his name.
Compare that to Aaron.

There’s a reason he wins.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32516 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 9:20 pm to
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Remember, those were the Ravens that Bill was with, not the current Browns.


Even then, that team had its issues culminating in Modell announcing the move to Baltimore in the middle of the ‘95 season, causing their season to crater.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/21 at 9:17 am to
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And your own logic broke you in this thread

This isn’t difficult people, Bill had the Pats consistently with a top 5 defense in the nfl. Almost every year for two decades

Brady had the Pats with a top 5 offense every year for 2 decades. You combine that and you are going to get a lot of wins

Brady picked a team to go to that was extremely good everywhere besides QB. So he continues to win

Bill replaced brady with a Qb who was horrific last year and then with a rookie. That isn’t going to get you a lot of wins

2020 destroyed your career clipboard narrative.
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