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re: Bigger sleeping giant (NCAA FB)

Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:33 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:33 am to
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How many has Georgia won?


We have the 3rd most amount of SEC titles in history, just 1 behind 2nd place Tennessee. It's gonna take about 50 years for anyone to realistically challenge bama for 1st.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:35 am to
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Georgia must go no farther than its own backyard for the nation's top talent, has minimal in-state competition for recruits,


I absolutely despise this incredibly LAZY mindset when it comes to recruiting in GA. As has been mentioned several times just because a school doesn't have a GA mailing address doesn't mean they aren't a threat. It's a 45 minute drive from Athens to Clemson, does that mean they aren't a threat to GA recruits? It's stupid.

Not directed at you specifically either kaizen, I just always see that posted (UGA only has ga tech in state, recruiting should be a breeze!) and it's completely illogical.
Posted by Spindicus Lofrus
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:45 am to
Georgia has a higher ceiling, for the most important reason.

I'll preface this by saying it should be Texas. Georgia is a great school in a great town and in a fertile recruiting area. Still, whatever checklist you come up with, most of the checks will go for Texas. Also, as has been mentioned, Texas has a much easier path to the playoffs, even with the Big 12 title game coming back.

Georgia has the higher ceiling because they have the better CEO as a coach. Herman is another bad hire, and will get fired after 3 years like Strong. When it comes to putting the right guy in charge to handle all of the components necessary to run a major program, Texas has again put itself behind the 8-ball.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:49 am to
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If you scroll down the Sooners and OkSt's rosters its pretty nuts how heavy they are with Texas guys.


Yeah, well the state of Oklahoma has a population of 3.8 million. I'm not so sure it's filled with a lot of football talent as well.

Compare that to the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex which is hovering around 7 million.

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I'd much rather be tasked with trying to lock down Ga

So you'd rather attempt to lock down a lesser populated state with more premier, national programs well within a 4 hour driving distance? Doesn't sound logical...

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Georgia must go no farther than its own backyard for the nation's top talent, has minimal in-state competition for recruits,


Sure, but check this out. This is the number of Georgia players on neighboring opponent's rosters:

Georgia Tech - 78 (no surprise)
*Auburn - 37
Tennessee - 25
South Carolina - 25
Clemson - 19
North Carolina - 15
*Alabama - 11
*Florida - 9
*Florida State - 8

That's 227 kids from your state going to some big-name, elite schools (4 recent national champions* and Clemson making a national championship appearance). I'm not saying all of these schools are coming into the state and cherry-picking the cream of the crop, but I also can't imagine that all of these kids or 2 and 3 stars that Georgia didn't want...

As I mentioned in my previous post, excluding Chapel Hill, Atlanta is really no more than a 4 hour drive from these other, blue-blood schools.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:52 am to
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erman is another bad hire, and will get fired after 3 years like Strong.


I don't know much about Herman, so what gives you this idea? His resume is pretty impressive for a young coach.

National title as an OC, 22-4 head coaching record.

I guess he's unproven to an extent, but you cant say that Kirby is definitely better.
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:02 pm to
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I absolutely despise this incredibly LAZY mindset when it comes to recruiting in GA. As has been mentioned several times just because a school doesn't have a GA mailing address doesn't mean they aren't a threat. It's a 45 minute drive from Athens to Clemson, does that mean they aren't a threat to GA recruits? It's stupid.

Not directed at you specifically either kaizen, I just always see that posted (UGA only has ga tech in state, recruiting should be a breeze!) and it's completely illogical.



Yeah, I always see it posted as well about Georgia not having serious in-state competition.

I don't even follow recruiting that closely but just knowing the area one can see that:

1. There are so many top programs a short drive from Atlanta and Atalanta recruits don't seem to really favor (identify with) UGA by the overwhelming percentage you see in smaller cities around the south for their in-state schools.

2. Giant programs like Clemson, Auburn, FSU are all actually closer to many recruits' hometowns and Alabama, Tennessee and Florida are not much further.



Georgia certainly has a very good recruiting area and usually recruits quite well but there also doesn't seem to be as many "100% if UGA offers" type kids as many seem to think.

Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:04 pm to
I do not think either of them is a sleeping giant. I think the Sleeping Giant is Arizona or Arizona State. You get the right guy into those places and the sky is the limit.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:04 pm to
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Weather, geography, level of competition, girls... shitty stadium, shitty academics, shitty fan support.


There stadium is quite nice now. Its gotten some good upgrades lately.

And Arizona State is in the top 10 in the country for graduates who are employed.

Tempe is a really awesome college city, and Scottsdale is just 15 mins away.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:09 pm to
Another sleeping Giant is Rutgers. They ever figure it out and keep the area kids home they could get it going.
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11480 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:13 pm to
If it hasn't happened in the 100+ years they've been playing, i doubt it will. Those schools just don't have the desire or fan support to be great in football.

The only reason ppl say this is because hot girls there. Tucson kind of sucks also.

quote:

I do not think either of them is a sleeping giant. I think the Sleeping Giant is Arizona or Arizona State. You get the right guy into those places and the sky is the limit.


Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:16 pm to
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What the frick are you laughing about stupid? This exact same thing happened to lsu except it was way worse.


LSU has won 44 games since the 2012 BCSNCG. Texas has won 46 since 2010.

Don't be fricking dumb.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:16 pm to
Well Arizona St has in the past shown it can have success, especially in the 70's. So, it is to me is the sleeping giant. They have Rose Bowls in 2 separate decades, they have put players in the NFL, they have the resources. Tucson is the harder place to make go IMO.

Rutgers has shown glimpses, Schiano. But then they stomp on their own toes when replacing the people who do well. If they make a commitment to football, they could get the support.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:22 pm to
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Its Texas and this isn't close.


Until the current crop of boosters die out, they will not come anywhere close to their 2009 season again.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:24 pm to
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Texas has a much easier path to the playoffs


That is like saying that, if the playoffs were in the 90's, that A&M had a much easier path because of the SWC.

Here's a fun fact: When the majority of your schedule is against weak teams in conference, you end up only rushing for 2 yards in your bowl game.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89471 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:30 pm to
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Arizona St has in the past shown it can have success, especially in the 70's. So, it is to me is the sleeping giant


ASU is a program to me that has the potential to do better than they are. I can see ASU winning 10 games every few years being their ceiling. I think the sake of this discussion of "sleepign giants" is referring to teams that can be nationally elite and compete for national titles. Just my opinion but I don't ever see Arizona State being in that category outside of a random year or 2.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:32 pm to
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Here's a fun fact: When the majority of your schedule is against weak teams in conference, you end up only rushing for 2 yards in your bowl gam


That was certainly embarrassing. I think they didn't even accumulate 60 total yards offensively.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:34 pm to
Yeah, I don't think people realize how close AU is to south Atlanta.
Posted by sms151t
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Member since Aug 2009
140704 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:34 pm to
I think they can compete for the Pac 12 South yearly if they get the right guy in there like they had with Kush and Cooper. Will they? Who knows?

They have run some good coaches out of there for some good reasons, but then followed that up with some strange hires (like Graham). They have also let coaches walk away (Cooper and Kush). But I can't blame either one of those for going to tOSU or NFL. If they raise the pay of HC and Assistants so a good one wont leave, who knows what they are capable of.

ETA:

Another reason I could see them making a push is if they commit to keeping some of the JUCO kids there to replace some guys. I don't recall them using their JUCO's at all and the California schools just raid it.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89471 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:40 pm to
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Yeah, I don't think people realize how close AU is to south Atlanta.


That's another thing about recruiting GA..although to be fair you can say the same thing about any of the major schools in FL/TX/CA as well.

Sure the state of GA as a whole is predominantly pro-UGA which is no surprise. But a kid who was born and raised in Columbus his whole life is 35 miles from Auburn and 180 miles from Athens. A kid in Valdosta is 75 miles from Florida STate and 250 from athens. Just because a kid is in the borders of GA doesn't mean UGA should automatically be at the top of his list by default.
Posted by Kaizen
Member since Aug 2016
462 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:46 pm to
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you'd rather attempt to lock down a lesser populated state with more premier, national programs well within a 4 hour driving distance? Doesn't sound logical...



Doesnt sound logical? Texas itself has a dozen FBS programs before they even start scrapping with the Ok schools, OSU, LSU, Ark, Miss, etc etc. Got any numbers on that? because I counted like 30-35 texas guys on both of the oklahoma school rosters
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