re: Big Ben Admits to Sex Then Says Girl "Fell"

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The comish has suspended guys before they even had a trial

Vick

And rape(if he's charged) is worse than dog killing

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The line for the NFL is either a conviction or admission of guilt for a crime... without one of those I don't think they suspend players because they don't have the concrete ability to do so

both admitted guilt didn't they?

Hmm, I've heard the complete opposite... can you link a timeline? When they were charged, when they admitted some wrongdoing, and when they were suspended?

I'm interested because there was a discussion about this on teh radio yesterday and casilias (guest host on the herd) vehemently argued the opposite... that no players were suspended before either admission of guilt or conviction

My memory is sketchy on the pacman suspension(s)... was the last one after he was involved in an incident at a strip club after being explicitly warned to stop going to strip clubs too?

The time of year certainly must play a role here as well. If training camp started tomorrow, Goodell would be much more likely to suspend Ben more quickly.

I don't see where you're coming from with the Pacman stuff at all looking at the timeline... there were a bunch of incidents and he wasn't suspended/disciplined prior to a conviction.

From the timeline you linked (leaving out the incidents prior to that with no convictions):

Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested in Murfreesboro, Tenn., for disorderly conduct and public intoxication, both misdemeanors. At the Sweetwater Saloon, he is accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones to six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.

• Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student. He is suspended for one game by the Titans, on Nov. 5 at Jacksonville.

• Feb. 19, 2007: A melee breaks out involving Adam "Pacman" Jones after he decided to "make it rain" inside Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Minutes after the fight involving Jones inside the strip club, an unknown gunman shoots three people by the front entrance.

• March 9, 2007: In an ESPN story, Gene Upshaw (then executive director of the NFL Players Association) asks: "How is it possible to be in the wrong place at the wrong time so many times?"

• April 10, 2007: While Jones awaits formal charges from the Las Vegas incident, commissioner Roger Goodell suspends him for the 2007 season, telling him in a written statement: "I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career."

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I don't see where you're coming from with the Pacman stuff at all looking at the timeline... there were a bunch of incidents and he wasn't suspended/disciplined prior to a conviction.

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Sure. Those were also under Tagliagbue.

Under Goodell, however:

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April 10, 2007: While Jones awaits formal charges from the Las Vegas incident, commissioner Roger Goodell suspends him for the 2007 season

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It's impossible to admit guilt if you have not been charged with anything.

So Goodell WILL suspend you without having you admit guilt, if the situation merits it, as Jones's situation did.

Roethlisberger is a different situation, due primarily to the nature of the alleged incident. However, I think that he will receive some sort of suspension because of his prior incidents, including the motorcycle accident and the still pending lawsuit against him. However, this suspension would not take place until AFTER he is charged.

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Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested in Murfreesboro, Tenn., for disorderly conduct and public intoxication, both misdemeanors. At the Sweetwater Saloon, he is accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones to six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.

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Here's the conviction in bold in case you missed it... I expect teh judge considered his later behavior a violation of his parole as well... guessing most judges would anyway

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Do you even know what you're talking about?

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da frick?

I've been very polite even when it seems to me like you've at least exaggerated

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1) Goodell suspended Jones PRIOR to his being CHARGED in the Las Vegas incident,
2) He did this because of Jones's prior record,

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He couldn't have suspended him without the prior conviction... the NFL was within it's rights to suspend him after the conviction... why are you having trouble with this point?

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3) He COULD choose to suspend Roethlisberger PRIOR to a charge (there's precedent from [1])

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There is not precedent because he was suspended after being convicted of a crime... if Ben had been convicted in the first case and then involved in another incident the NFL would have been within it's rights to suspend him either after the conviction or at the time of the second incident

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Goodell has made it VERY, VERY clear that he is harsh on players for tarnishing the image of the league. THAT is what I'm talking about.

He's not going to have one of the game's premier quarterbacks flying back and forth from Pittsburgh to Milledgeville, GA for a rape trial during the season.

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It would be OK if you admitted being wrong on the prior point btw... conviction preceded the suspension... it's a black and white issue (in this case not race related)

He would prefer not to have any bad publicity like this but barring an admission or conviction he would be attempting to set new precedent... and I doubt this is the year to try that stuff