re: Big 10 Commish - 2011 Bama wouldn't make playoff

Of course not.

We will never get to pay Bama back for last year's BCSNCG bullshite.

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You and the rest of the domers can cling to the past, but overall you'd be better off in a conference

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since when did you turn into a flaming retard? da fuq?

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The having to win your conference and be in the Top 6 is actually a pretty good setup. The have to win your division basically cancels out that very caveat because in almost every case this situation will involve a 1 loss team in the same division as one of the BCS playoff participants. It won't ever involve teams from separate divisions because those teams would always end up playing each other in a conference championship game. Incredibly sneaky move by Delany and he's a moron if he thinks Slive and others are stupid enough to fall for that rule. He basically offers a compromise then adds a caveat that would totally cancel out the compromise he just proposed.

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Again why should a conference runner up get a do over to compete against a conference opponent who eliminated them.

Example- Last year LSU beats Bama on the road then beats another highly ranked opponent in the conference championship game. Bama gets into a neutral site game for the NC while already losing a head to head at home and sitting at home during the conference championship. That is just a bs scenario mainly pushed by polling bias that should be limited by objective criteria.

It is the same situation everyone has feared when people use the eye test to say USC is the best team every year when everyone knows damn well they don't deserve to be in the game.

Now the ridiculous media shite show probably only occurs with USC, Bama, and ND; however, making being a conference/division champ as part of the criteria makes logical sense.

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since when did you turn into a flaming retard? da fuq?

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I was just messing with you mostly

I'll rephrase: I don't think it benefits indys as you said, to limit the playoff the conference winners, at best, I think its neutral to them.

In 14 years of the BCS Notre Dame was the only indy to finish in the top 6 and they did it once, at #6 in 2005. 5 times the top 4 were all conference winners and 3 other times, 4 of the top 5 were. so that means 8 of 14 years, being #6 does not get an Independent in the 4 team playoff. So I argue you are wrong to say its not likely that there be 4 conference winners over ND if they are in the top 6, since it happened 57% of the time since the BCS started.

The good news for ND is the one time they did finish in the top 6, there were only 3 conference winners ahead of them. Now, if they limit the playoff to only the top 4 conference winners, 05 ND is in, but if they do the top 6 provision, I'm not so sure, though it would depend on how they word it. Would not being in a conference trump being in one and not winning it, since neither would be conference champs?

I added the bwahaha at the fact that in 14 years, ND has finished in the top 6, just once, cause I don't like ND and find it funny that the last time they were a legitimate NC contender is getting closer to the moon landing than the present day.

I do think ND would be better off in a conference and it sounds like they cling to staying independent because its "tradition".

youre right, historically speaking, this model it is not as beneficial to ND as i initially believed.

ND would turn into a NW if we joined a conference, especially with the lack of on-field success; their independence has kept the brand legitimate despite the current struggles.

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ND would turn into a NW if we joined a conference, especially with the lack of on-field success; their independence has kept the brand legitimate despite the current struggles

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I disagree. OU, USC, Alabama, Texas all had down stretches and bounced back. I don't see why ND would be any different. After 8 losing seasons in 11 years, LSU bounced back to a higher level than we ever were.

I think its clear they'd make more money as part of a conference, especially if they could keep 3 tier rights. ND is one of the few schools that could do a LHN type deal.

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Yeah, so? Since when is the potential reaction of LSU fans a justification for something involving CFB at large? If LSU lost that game and Bama played OSU, they would have griped. At then end of the day, if you lose, you run the risk of not controling your own destiny. Under the top 6 plan, LSU would have been out in 2006 and yes, some LSU would have bithced, at which point, you could mention to them we should have scored more than 3 at Auburn.

If you just go top 4, Wisconsin fans can gripe about being left out in favor of Stanford in 2010. No matter what size playoff you use in CFB, some one is going to get left out, whether its #5, #9, #17, someone will whine about how they were better than someone else that got in. The reason the top 6 plan or just top 4 conference winners is a good one is it gives us at some objective standard to use, not just an opinion poll.

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I'll just keep defering to H-Town. I agree 100% with him. If you don't win your conference, getting a title shot is a favor bestowed upon you -- you've lost the room to complain about the system. Win. Or shut up.

Why - Delaney says, he wouldn't support a team getting into the playoff if they didn't win their conference division...Bama didn't win their division - the basic threshold before even playing for your conference title. If you're not eligible for your conference title game - you're not eligible for the National Title game...so says Delaney.

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the basic threshold before even playing for your conference title. If you're not eligible for your conference title game - you're not eligible for the National Title game.

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Not to discount what Bama did because they were good but you would think the above statement would be common sense for College Football where "every week counts".

He is trying to make sure a Big Suck 10 team is always included. All other conference champions should rejoice. You will have one team each year to arse rape.