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re: Better head coach: Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney?
Posted on 12/14/18 at 8:54 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/14/18 at 8:54 am to RollTide1987
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Dabo built Clemson from the ground up whereas Meyer inherited a gold mine at both Florida and Ohio State
Urban turned around all the programs he went to. Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl before he left and then Alex Smith was drafted number 1 overall. People forget that before he got to Florida and Ohio State they were having very mediocre to bad seasons.
What Dabo did at Clemson is great in its own right too.
But in fair comparison, Urban went to different programs and made them championship teams. Not saying Dabo couldn't do that, but we won't really know unless he switches schools at some point.
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Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:03 am to Areddishfish
Utah beat 7-4 Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl when he was there in 04.
Zook may have been a bad coach (although he did get Illinois to the Rose Bowl) but he was an elite recruiter. 20/22 starters in the 07 BCSCG were his guys.
And Ohio State was coming off of a 12-1 season and 6 straight B10 titles.
Zook may have been a bad coach (although he did get Illinois to the Rose Bowl) but he was an elite recruiter. 20/22 starters in the 07 BCSCG were his guys.
And Ohio State was coming off of a 12-1 season and 6 straight B10 titles.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:12 am to Korin
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And Ohio State was coming off of a 12-1 season and 6 straight B10 titles.
False. Ohio State was 6-6 the year before Urban took over.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:44 am to Areddishfish
Yep, let's just ignore everything else and focus on one season with an interim HC. Brilliant. 
Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:53 am to Korin
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20/22 starters in the 07 BCSCG were his guys.
Recruiting has very little to do with coaching. The thread is asking for the best head coach, not the best recruiter.
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And Ohio State was coming off of a 12-1 season and 6 straight B10 titles.
Ohio State was coming off a 6-7 season when Urban took over.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:58 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 12/14/18 at 9:59 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The head coach is ultimately responsible for everything. So recruiting is definitely a part of “coaching”. Especially for the head coach.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:17 am to Boomshockalocka
Sure. It's a part of "coaching." Which is why I said that...
Again, it's a very small part of coaching.
The thread says better head coach, not better recruiter. if we want to make the argument that recruiting wouldn't favor Urban anyway. He's the best recruiter in the country.
Again, it's a very small part of coaching.
The thread says better head coach, not better recruiter.
if we want to make the argument that recruiting wouldn't favor Urban anyway. He's the best recruiter in the country.Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:18 am to Areddishfish
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Ohio State was 6-6 the year before Urban took over.
Accurate.
If Urban "fell into" anything, we should have expected another similar season. Certainly not fricking 12-0 the very next year. That, or Fickell should have been able to win at least 9-10 games with all that world class talent, considering what he's done at Cincinnati already.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I take urban over dbag dabo any day. That dude sucks.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:45 am to dukke v
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Without TEBOW????? Do some homework....................
2014 Ohio State ring any bells?
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:08 am to Switzerland
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I would take any of these coaches right now over Urban
Saban
Dabo
Smart
Jimbo
Mullen
Herman
Riley
Gundy
Patterson
Campbell
Frost
Brohm
Leach
Just think about this for a moment. Urban Meyer has a career .853 winning percentage. He basically averaged a 12-2 record for 17 years. That’s ridiculously impressive to have a record that good for so long. Saban’s the only coach who matches Urban in that area. Dabo’s only done it for six years. He basically needs to maintain what he’s doing for another decade to match Urban. If Dabo is having the success in 2030, than I’ll say he’s as good as Urban. Until then, I don’t know how anybody can mention Dabo in the same breath as him.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:11 am to RollTide1987
Even with as good as Dabo has been I still have a hard time buying him. He's recruited well but even he said before the FSU game "they've beaten us in the recruiting rankings every year". He's made some excellent hires, has excellent support, and hit 2 incredible homeruns on his QB recruits. 5 years ago it looked like FSU was poised to be in the playoff every year but a few bad hires and a bunch of shithead recruits and FSU sunk like a rock. Dabo needs several more years of longevity to be in Urban's class. He went on a run with Watson and he's staying on a run with Sunhsine but it'll be interesting to see if they stay top 5 caliber after Trevor leaves.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:31 am to RollTide1987
Urban Meyer is a great coach... one of the best all time. He also has a history of leaving with programs in all kinds of dysfunction. When Meyer left UF he had just recruited some of the most talented players in the country on paper. And yet they fell off a cliff in a hurry with all kinds of program turmoil. Meyer is like making a deal with the devil. He will sacrifice anything to win.
Dabo is just a different cat. I don't know if he would find the same success in the SEC or Big 10. I think he would be successful, but I don't know that he would be dominant. I think Dabo errs on the side of bringing in lower rated, higher character kids when he can. He understands that too much entitled or low character talent can spoil a program. You need some of those guys, but outside of Saban at Bama, usually things fall apart if there are too many of those types of egos in the room.
Urban is probably a better coach, but for program building, give me Dabo all day everyday.
Dabo is just a different cat. I don't know if he would find the same success in the SEC or Big 10. I think he would be successful, but I don't know that he would be dominant. I think Dabo errs on the side of bringing in lower rated, higher character kids when he can. He understands that too much entitled or low character talent can spoil a program. You need some of those guys, but outside of Saban at Bama, usually things fall apart if there are too many of those types of egos in the room.
Urban is probably a better coach, but for program building, give me Dabo all day everyday.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:38 am to EyeTwentyNole
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He went on a run with Watson and he's staying on a run with Sunhsine but it'll be interesting to see if they stay top 5 caliber after Trevor leaves.
So you are waiting for three more years to see if Clemson will still be successful after Trevor Lawrence leaves? That is a curiously long time to wait.
Hate to break it to you, but Dabo has a guy now who is the number #1 QB in 2020 that we are looking very solid with. He might end up playing baseball, but if he doesn't, it's a good bet he will be at Clemson.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:42 am to CivilTiger83
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When Meyer left UF he had just recruited some of the most talented players in the country on paper. And yet they fell off a cliff in a hurry with all kinds of program turmoil. Meyer is like making a deal with the devil. He will sacrifice anything to win.
Muschamp went 11-2 in his second year with mostly Urban’s recruits and their program got gradually worse when Urban’s players start to trickle out. Can’t see how anybody can blame the decline of the Gators football program on Urban. Also, Utah finished second in the country in 2008 with a lot of players who were Meyer’s recruits.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:50 am to CivilTiger83
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So you are waiting for three more years to see if Clemson will still be successful after Trevor Lawrence leaves?
You really think you have three more years with Lawrence at QB?
I'd also hold off to see how Lawrence performs against elite teams before getting too excited about his efforts against Pitt and Louisville.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You really think you have three more years with Lawrence at QB?
No... but it will be three more years until you can assess whatever new QB we have.
As long as Clemson has Dabo they are going to attract top flight WRs and QBs.
Lawrence has better tools than even Watson did, and projects better in the NFL. Dude is a stud. He still needs to work on his pocket presence and we will see if he is as much of a gamer as Watson was.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:29 pm to CivilTiger83
It won't take three years.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:30 pm to Bench McElroy
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Muschamp went 11-2 in his second year with mostly Urban’s recruits and their program got gradually worse when Urban’s players start to trickle out. Can’t see how anybody can blame the decline of the Gators football program on Urban. Also, Utah finished second in the country in 2008 with a lot of players who were Meyer’s recruits
It was still a good portion of Urban's players in 2013, 2014 (3 and 4 years after Urban's departure) when they went 4-8, 7-5.
Remember THIS article?
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Multiple sources told Sporting News that Meyer—who won two national championships in six years at Florida and cemented his legacy as one of the game’s greatest coaches—told the Diggs family that he wouldn’t let his son go to Florida because of significant character issues in the locker room.
Character issues that we now know were fueled by a culture Meyer created. Character issues that gutted what was four years earlier the most powerful program in college football.
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