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re: Bengals should’ve picked Penei Sewell over Chase
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And when he played LT in the NFL he was bad
lol this is factually incorrect
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He's not
lol okay chump. This is factually incorrect as well
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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We are talking about the NFL
Okay cool. Do you know how many snaps Sewell has taken at LT in the NFL? Do you know why Sewell was move to RT before he ever played a down in the NFL?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:08 pm to TheePalmetto
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Threepalmetto
Whos alter is this?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:09 pm to saintsfan92612
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:16 pm to TheePalmetto
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More evidence that Penei Sewell is an elite pass blocker
Actually that's evidence that he has games with elite passing. Nobody has argued otherwise.
To have that high of a # of games with that low pressure rate and a pressure rate as mediocre-bad that he does overall means that he does really bad in lots of other games, comparatively.
Which you would understand if you understood basic math.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:17 pm to TheePalmetto
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What they are not factoring is the fact that he allowed all of one sack last season
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Most, if not all NFL coaches will be more than happy if a guy gives up a pressure once every 24-25 passing snaps,
Sort of like saying get punched in the face is better than getting shot. If the QB is pressured but is able to throw the pass away that’s better than getting sacked but still a negative play. It’s easier for the righted handed QB to see and avoid pressure from that side long enough to avoid the sack long enough to throw an incomplete pass.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Do you think pressures allowed (subjective) or sacks allowed (objective) is more important when measuring pass blocking skill?
Beyond that, do you really believe any offensive tackle would be selected to back to back First Team All-Pro lists by every notable publication in the 2020s if he weren’t an elite or damn near elite pass blocker?
Beyond that, do you really believe any offensive tackle would be selected to back to back First Team All-Pro lists by every notable publication in the 2020s if he weren’t an elite or damn near elite pass blocker?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:26 pm to TheePalmetto
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Tom Brady won 3 SBs with Matt Light. He won none with Randy Moss.
How many did the Browns win with Joe
Thomas?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:30 pm to TheePalmetto
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Do you think pressures allowed (subjective) or sacks allowed (objective) is more important when measuring pass blocking skill?
Pressure, clearly. Which gives you a larger sample size from which to judge? Which is a more consistent measure of disruption of offensive play? Which has been proven through analytics to be more important? Pressure is the answer to all three
There's too much variance in luck involved in sacks that has nothing to do specifically with the blocking and since sacks are more rare your sample size is less significant and impactful in the overall analysis.
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Beyond that, do you really believe any offensive tackle would be selected to back to back First Team All-Pro lists by every notable publication in the 2020s if he weren’t an elite or damn near elite pass blocker?
Uh, yeah. Especially if they're the best run blocker in the NFL at tackle. Also, it helps if he's on a team with a lot of wins because they get more exposure and that leads to more the votes and those sorts of things. That's why you never heard about Trent Williams being the best tackle in football until he went to San Francisco and then it became accepted. Dogma because they were good and got more exposure instead of being bad like the Redskins were
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:31 pm to TheePalmetto
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Do you think pressures allowed (subjective) or sacks allowed (objective) is more important when measuring pass blocking skill?
Pressure is a better measure the QB can throw a pass away and not get sacked and assigning a sack to a particular OL can also be subjective, what if the guy the Rt is blocking gets pressure but the QB avoids him only to be sacked by someone else, who’s gave up the sack?
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How many did the Browns win with Joe Thomas?
None. How many times did they have a Pro Bowl QB while Thomas was there? Once?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
yes, because Joe Thomas played with a QB of Brady or Burrow's caliber
QBs need a good offensive line to win.
Here is the offensive line PFF rankings of the last 18 Super Bowl teams. One is glaringly different from the others:
2025: Eagles (#3) Chiefs (#10)
2024: Chiefs (#4) 49ers (#9)
2023: Chiefs (#3) Eagles (#1)
2022: Rams (#7) Bengals (#20)
2021: Bucs (#5) Chiefs (#11)
2020: Chiefs (#16) 49ers (#14)
2019: Patriots (#4) Rams (#6)
2018: Eagles (#1) Patriots (#3)
2017: Falcons (#6) Patriots (#10)
The Bengals are the only team in the last 9 years to have a bottom half offensive line and make the Super Bowl.
QBs need a good offensive line to win.
Here is the offensive line PFF rankings of the last 18 Super Bowl teams. One is glaringly different from the others:
2025: Eagles (#3) Chiefs (#10)
2024: Chiefs (#4) 49ers (#9)
2023: Chiefs (#3) Eagles (#1)
2022: Rams (#7) Bengals (#20)
2021: Bucs (#5) Chiefs (#11)
2020: Chiefs (#16) 49ers (#14)
2019: Patriots (#4) Rams (#6)
2018: Eagles (#1) Patriots (#3)
2017: Falcons (#6) Patriots (#10)
The Bengals are the only team in the last 9 years to have a bottom half offensive line and make the Super Bowl.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:41 pm to TheePalmetto
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many times did they have a Pro Bowl QB while Thomas was there? Once?
That many?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:51 pm to saintsfan92612
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yes, because Joe Thomas played with a QB of Brady or Burrow's caliber
Lighten up Francis I was just using GCA or whatever alter he’s using now favorite tactic
As discussed here contrary to popular belief the Bengals have in fact tried to upgrade the OL, they even drafted OL 1R the 2 drafts before they took Burrow they’ve signed FA, they just either missed or really suck at evaluating or there’s something wrong with their scheme/development
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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GCA
OH YEAH THANK YOU.
Ole GameCockAlum.
I guess I owe Madking an apology. I swore that was the new alter of that guy.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:07 pm to TheWalrus
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Sewell is a right tackle, which greatly diminishes his value, although he is very good.
Bro I switch my RT to LT on madden all the time
- the OP
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I guess I owe Madking an apology
Not sure I would go that far
GCA is some Carolina theme and really hates Burrow
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:18 pm to saintsfan92612
Yeah the value for players is QB then OT, then CB/Edge, then the rest of the OL, and so on from there.
If you have the chance to get an elite Tackle or an elite WR, you always go elite tackle. It’s not even a debate really. What makes it even more obvious is how overpaid WRs are now compared to Tackles.
If you have the chance to get an elite Tackle or an elite WR, you always go elite tackle. It’s not even a debate really. What makes it even more obvious is how overpaid WRs are now compared to Tackles.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:19 pm to TheWalrus
quote:who?
Well I’m sure the Falcons don’t regret picking Pitts over both.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Burrow isn't going to last much longer at this rate. Sewell could've helped a lot
One good OL isn't solving their problems. They never several new OL. Either way, their defense is horrid, so it doesn't matter much. The offense would have had to score 6+ TD's to win last Sunday.
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