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re: Bengals first round pick Shemar Stewart is working out with Texas A&M
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:46 am to moneyg
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:46 am to moneyg
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I’m not following you.
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Regardless, how could the NFL and NFLPA have an argument in this conversation? How could they make the case that they have any control over a person not in the union and not a player in the NFL.
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They require you declare for the draft and as such forfeit your amateur status
Damn dude, it’s not that hard
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:59 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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It’s become a pretty fricking big story today. If that was the intention it seems to have worked
Who else mainstream is talking about it other than another failed lawyer turned blogger named Mike Florio? That guy literally sells fiction novels he writes on his Pro Football Talk site. Ninety percent of what he writes is click-bait paranoia that he came up with on his own. He's always jumping to the most extreme scenario for the sake of clicks.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 12:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Damn dude, it’s not that hard
I don't agree that his declaring for the draft would mean the the NFL can prevent the NCAA from allowing a player to play in college. The NCAA, if anyone, would be the party that could try and implement a rule to prevent that. If the NCAA doesn't want to do that, on what basis would the NFL have a claim?
I also don't agree that his declaring for the draft gives the NFL a claim to prevent the player from playing in the NCAA. Maybe there is language specific to that in the paperwork to declare for the draft that I'm not aware of.
Obviously, other leagues allow players to go back to college. And, obviously, the NCAA allows players in other sports to return.
So, what's the limiting factor?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 12:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They require you declare for the draft and as such forfeit your amateur status
Does declaring automatically “enroll” you into the NFL and under the control of the NFL and NFLPA?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:05 pm to moneyg
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I don't agree that his declaring for the draft would mean the the NFL can prevent the NCAA from allowing a player to play in college. The NCAA, if anyone, would be the party that could try and implement a rule to prevent that. If the NCAA doesn't want to do that, on what basis would the NFL have a claim?
You’re talking about something completely different
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I also don't agree that his declaring for the draft gives the NFL a claim to prevent the player from playing in the NCAA. Maybe there is language specific to that in the paperwork to declare for the draft that I'm not aware of.
Uh yeah, you have to formally forfeit your amateur status, which as of right now, can’t be reobtained
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Obviously, other leagues allow players to go back to college.
Only basketball
Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:20 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You’re talking about something completely different
I'm not. You just aren't keeping up.
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Uh yeah, you have to formally forfeit your amateur status, which as of right now, can’t be reobtained
The NFL doesn't control what amateur status means in relation to the NCAA. It can only control what it means in relation to the NFL. Unless the NFL has a specific agreement with a player when they apply for the draft, I can't see how they could make any argument that they should be able to control whether the NCAA decides to allow (or can't prevent) that player to play.
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Only basketball
Baseball?Posted on 7/16/25 at 3:43 pm to moneyg
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Unless the NFL has a specific agreement with a player when they apply for the draft
They do
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Baseball?
You don’t enter the draft in baseball.
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You just aren't keeping up.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:46 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They do
…that limits their ability to play somewhere else. I doubt that very seriously. Can you support that at all?
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You don’t enter the draft in baseball.
You don’t apply for the draft. But the NCAA allows players to return. And that’s the point. The limitation is on the NCAA side…not the NFL side.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:54 pm to The Egg
College athletics is a clown show now
Posted on 7/16/25 at 6:03 pm to moneyg
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that limits their ability to play somewhere else. I doubt that very seriously.
It absolutely limits their ability to play in the NCAA
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You don’t apply for the draft.
That’s the whole point dumbass. That’s a HUGE distinction
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The limitation is on the NCAA side…not the NFL side.
No it’s not. I thought you were just confused at first, but you’re really showing your arse here. You’re just plain wrong and you’re tripling down on not understanding it
Posted on 7/16/25 at 6:45 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Returning to the NCAA is one thing, which I disagree with. But I’m not sure why the NFL would allow you to enter the draft and be drafted 2 years in a row either.
Is this not going to allow all the guys that go undrafted to just return to college?
Is this not going to allow all the guys that go undrafted to just return to college?
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 6:46 pm to moneyg
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You don’t apply for the draft. But the NCAA allows players to return. And that’s the point. The limitation is on the NCAA side…not the NFL side.
Because one draft is an involuntary draft (baseball) and the other is a voluntary draft. That’s a massive distinction. Football players have until 72 hours after the draft declaration deadline (mid January) to pull their names out and return to school.
I promise you it does not help players to return to school like they can for baseball. If that were the case good senior football players would never return to school ever just like they don’t in baseball. Players would leverage for signing bonus money their junior seasons and be forced to take it or return to school to sign for peanuts as a senior. The baseball draft is a horrible model. The only thing I think I’d be open to discuss is a player being able to return to school if he goes undrafted but that would have other Pandora’s box issues as well. The nil and portal world has made things complicated enough as is
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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No it’s not. I thought you were just confused at first, but you’re really showing your arse here. You’re just plain wrong and you’re tripling down on not understanding it
So you think that if the NCAA decided to allow players to return to school if not signed, the NFL would be able to sue and say it can’t do that? And your basis for that is “Amateur Standing”?
I don’t think the NFL has any basis to limit who plays within the NCAA short of specific contractual agreements with players…which they don’t have with Stewart.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:11 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That’s the whole point dumbass. That’s a HUGE distinction
No, it's not.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:16 pm to lsufball19
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Because one draft is an involuntary draft (baseball) and the other is a voluntary draft. That’s a massive distinction.
In what way? Your feelings? Legally?
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I promise you it does not help players to return to school like they can for baseball. If that were the case good senior football players would never return to school ever just like they don’t in baseball. Players would leverage for signing bonus money their junior seasons and be forced to take it or return to school to sign for peanuts as a senior. The baseball draft is a horrible model. The only thing I think I’d be open to discuss is a player being able to return to school if he goes undrafted but that would have other Pandora’s box issues as well. The nil and portal world has made things complicated enough as is
I didn’t suggest it was good for the players. I’m suggesting that the NFL can’t prevent it from happening. And I’m suggesting the NCAA might not be able to prevent it given the recent legal rulings by the courts.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:34 pm to The Egg
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:05 pm to moneyg
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I didn’t suggest it was good for the players. I’m suggesting that the NFL can’t prevent it from happening. And I’m suggesting the NCAA might not be able to prevent it given the recent legal rulings by the courts.
Again, you are thinning about this wrong. Sure, the NFL can’t prevent someone from going back to the NCAA. But the NFL can prevent someone from going back to the NCAA and then back to the NFL draft.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:08 pm to moneyg
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I don’t think the NFL has any basis to limit who plays within the NCAA short of specific contractual agreements with players
They have to declare for the draft, what part of that do you not understand?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:09 pm to KosmoCramer
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No, it's not.
Something being voluntarily and the other thing being involuntary and not having to give anything up aren’t any different?
Are you just disagreeing because it me, or are you a total idiot?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:11 pm to baldona
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Sure, the NFL can’t prevent someone from going back to the NCAA.
The person I'm arguing with disagrees.
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But the NFL can prevent someone from going back to the NCAA and then back to the NFL draft.
Maybe. I doubt it. What are you basing that on?
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:13 pm
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