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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles

Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:31 am to
Posted by BeYou
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:31 am to
At least I can laugh at the stupidity of Chip Brown.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:31 am to
They're gonna pay off his debt.

He'll have an easier path to the playoffs

And really who wouldn't want to live in Waco?
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:32 am
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:32 am to
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you think that universities should be handling criminal investigations?


Irrelevant to me. I think they have a duty to comply with the law. I don't think they came anywhere close to doing so in this case. The investigations were so inadequate that it was tantamount to not conducting them at all.
Posted by BeYou
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:34 am to
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Irrelevant to me. I think they have a duty to comply with the law. I don't think they came anywhere close to doing so in this case. The investigations were so inadequate that it was tantamount to not conducting them at all.


Hard to conduct an investigation when you have no investigatory power. That's why they found Sam U not guilty. Sam U roommate said he was home and didn't hear any struggle during the time of the rape.

Sam U goes to trial and it is found out that the roommate had lied when the prosecutor pulled out phone records showing he wasn't at home.

Posted by therick711
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:35 am to
You're missing the point. They didn't talk to anyone. They didn't investigate anything. When charges were brought, they didn't reopen the investigation. Their failings weren't because they didn't have all the tools. Their failings were because they didn't use ANY tools whatsoever.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:36 am to
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Irrelevant to me.

well that's great

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I think they have a duty to comply with the law

sure, and the feds will have to investigate Baylor if they wish

and that's a Baylor issue, not a Briles issue

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I don't think they came anywhere close to doing so in this case.

that's up to the feds (or possibly court via lawsuits) to decide. until we see all the evidence, we shouldn't rush to judge

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The investigations were so inadequate that it was tantamount to not conducting them at all.

it seems like many were stifled when the criminal investigation died

and if it didn't, the players were suspended upon indictment

that's perfectly reasonable to me
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:37 am to
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@MWatkinsTrib
BREAKING: Baylor announces President Starr will no longer be president. Transitioning to chancellor.


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@MWatkinsTrib
BREAKING: Baylor Athletic Director Ian McCaw has been "sanctioned and placed on probation."
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:37 am to
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When charges were brought, they didn't reopen the investigation.

why possibly interfere with a criminal investigation?

let the police handle it and suspend the player. that's what they did
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:37 am to
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that's up to the feds (or possibly court via lawsuits) to decide. until we see all the evidence, we shouldn't rush to judge


Who is rushing? Baylor has dismissed Briles. Ken Starr might survive, but that isn't even settled yet.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:38 am to
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You're missing the point. They didn't talk to anyone. They didn't investigate anything. When charges were brought, they didn't reopen the investigation. Their failings weren't because they didn't have all the tools. Their failings were because they didn't use ANY tools whatsoever.


This
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465134 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:38 am to
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Who is rushing?

everyone making proclamations about incidents where they can't possibly have all the information to judge

have we all forgotten UVA? Columbia?
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:39 am to
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that's up to the feds (or possibly court via lawsuits) to decide. until we see all the evidence, we shouldn't rush to judge


The Baylor BOR thought it was bad enough to sack Briles. Exactly how is anyone rushing to judgement? If a school filled w/lawyers thinks it's that bad, ITS THAT frickING BAD.
Posted by therick711
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:39 am to
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why possibly interfere with a criminal investigation?


To comply with their responsibilities under Title IX. Further, if you are Ken Starr and Art Briles, to protect your job. Why should they do it? These are the consequences of not doing it.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:39 am to
Briles to auburn.
Posted by therick711
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Member since Jan 2008
26097 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:40 am to
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everyone making proclamations about incidents where they can't possibly have all the information to judge

have we all forgotten UVA? Columbia?


Except in this case Baylor just completed an investigation and is cleaning house in response to it. In those cases, not so much.
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:41 am to
Yikes! RIP Baylor football
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:41 am to
If, the stuff is as bad as it looks on the surface, I'm not even sure Saban could ride it out. Not because the BoT or whatever Baylor doesn't support the coach but because covering up Rape allegations prior to a guy transfering in endangers the one thing more valuable to even a school like Bama than football/booster cash-- Federal Loan dollars.

I mean this is the hammer the NCAA supposedly was threatening FSU with and in the Baylor case its even worse because at least one of the guys had rape allegations prior to coming to the school and his coach supposedly told Briles-- that's about as clear a case of putting football over the safety of female students as you can get, its like they went out of there way to try and design a hypothetical Title IX violation that would put FAFSA money at risk.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:42 am to
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if there is a group powerful enough to monitor his drinking, it's a baptist college in waco




The only way to keep a Baptist sober is to have another one hanging around.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:43 am to
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LOL at Baylor players thanking Briles for teaching them to be men on twitter.



Well shite, sounds like he did kind of a crappy job at that: "And remember Boys, no one is going to give you anything, you have to take it- no matter what anyone says!"
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85788 posts
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:43 am to
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Briles to auburn.



Violence against women is more of a Bama/LSU thing
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