So?

They won their division fair and square after being better than 3 other teams and were entitled to a playoff bid and home game. Them's the rules based on math.

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Because the NFL playoff system has never changed since its inception, right?

Good luck convincing 32 old billionaires to change the system that has made them a frick ton of money.

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Again, I'm sorry to disappoint you but you and your fellow meltees crying about Alabama on tigerdroppings aren't constant pressure or anything close to it. Come back tomorrow and post links to all the newspaper headlines saying Alabama shouldn't be in the playoffs this year.

Your nonchalant hand waves aside, we're not the ones that will have to forever defend making the playoffs despite never winning the division thanks to a completely subjective polls based on flawed reasoning.

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So like I said, the people that matter support the current system.

And it's not like they're untouchable and can't be persuaded like 32 billionaires that run the NFL right?

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The law of the land as it stands todaybin college football says a committee will select 4 teams to be in the cfb playoff.

And?

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Who is the backdoor enabler again here?

You.

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The cfb playoff /= the sec championship game. So yes, I can do that very easily. The sec championship game is the winner of the SEC east against the winner of the SEC west.

Weren't you just bitching about losing teams making the playoffs in the NFL? Auburn had a worse record than Bama and still won the SEC West. Where's your problem with that?

You can't have it both ways.

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I don't have to ignore math, I just need to have common sense.

That division/conference champions are more deserving of a playoff spot than a team getting one based on style points.

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Posted by Open Your Eyes

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 2:12 am to Sentrius

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nd it's still better than the flawed and sloppy CFP system you're twisting your neck to defend.

Twisting my neck? I'm simply looking at this from an objective and rational viewpinbt, something you are completely incapable of because Alabama is involved.

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NFL divisions and college conferences award championship titles based on math, not subjective reasoning in polls.

Yes, and the NFL thinks its division champions, whether they are 5-11 or 16-0, all deserve automatic playoff spots. Thankfully college has not adopted that line of thinking. You seem unable to grasp this concept.

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They won their division fair and square after being better than 3 other teams and were entitled to a playoff bid and home game. Them's the rules based on math.

So? Teams that lose the majority of their games in a league designed to have parity should not be awarded playoff spots, especially over teams with better records.

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Good luck convincing 32 old billionaires to change the system that has made them a frick ton of money.

Oh I get it. The previous versions on the nfl playoffs weren't making any money. And there are no possible changes in the future that could be made to make even more money.

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?

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Your nonchalant hand waves aside, we're not the ones that will have to forever defend making the playoffs despite never winning the division thanks to a completely subjective polls based on flawed reasoning.

Yes, I'm sure Alabama is exhausted from the burden of having to defend their 2011 championship. And 2016 Ohio st for making the playoffs after being "co-champions" of the big 10 east.

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And it's not like they're untouchable and can't be persuaded like 32 billionaires that run the NFL right?

The playoffs are making a "frick ton of money" which is apparently all that matters according to you.

It's really amazing you don't see how ridiculous your entire stance here is, and it's all just because you don't like Alabama.

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And?

That statement was equally as relevant, if not more, to this conversation as your history lesson on the electoral college. Now you understand my thoughts when reading it.

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You.

Says the person that wants to change the entire structure of the cfb playoffs just because he doesn't like one of the teams that was selected in accordance with the rules as they currently exist, while literally making shite up to defend a team that was selected last year with the same data points.

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Weren't you just bitching about losing teams making the playoffs in the NFL? Auburn had a worse record than Bama and still won the SEC West. Where's your problem with that?

So yes, this confirms you don't understand there is a difference between the cfb playoffs and the way conferences determine a champion.

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That division/conference champions are more deserving of a playoff spot than a team getting one based on style points.

That the playoff is meant to select the 4 best teams in the country, and that it's possible to be one of those 4 teams without having won your conference or division.

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Posted by Sentrius

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 2:41 am to Open Your Eyes

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I'm simply looking at this from an objective and rational viewpinbt, something you are completely incapable of because Alabama is involved.

You seriously claiming this while being a Bama fan is hilarious.

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Yes, and the NFL thinks its division champions, whether they are 5-11 or 16-0, all deserve automatic playoff spots.

Actually it's mathematically and statistically impossible to make the playoffs with only 5 wins so that's not a really a valid point.

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Thankfully college has not adopted that line of thinking.

Yet.

And when it eventually does, homers like you have to take the results as the math dishes it out.

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Teams that lose the majority of their games in a league designed to have parity should not be awarded playoff spots, especially over teams with better records.

You say that like parity is a bad thing when it's what made the NFL so fun to watch and insanely profitable.

If you don't think parity is a good thing at all, then by any chance would you be a fan of UConn's women's basketball team?

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The previous versions on the nfl playoffs weren't making any money. And there are no possible changes in the future that could be made to make even more money.

You have a better idea then that could make them billions of dollars more money?

A better playoff system than what they currently use?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

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I'm sure Alabama is exhausted from the burden of having to defend their 2011 championship.

No matter how many times you tell us you aren't, we all know its gnawing in the back of your heads that Bama had to depend on the subjective reasoning of a committee to make the playoffs at all.

No team is that lucky by accident.

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The playoffs are making a "frick ton of money" which is apparently all that matters according to you.

And more playoff games could make them even more money with an NFL style format for 6-8 teams.

Boom.

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this confirms you don't understand there is a difference between the cfb playoffs and the way conferences determine a champion.

And you still bitch about the NFL awarding championship titles the same way a college conference does.

Based on math.

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That the playoff is meant to select the 4 best teams in the country, and that it's possible to be one of those 4 teams without having won your conference or division.

And that's based on completely flawed and subjective reasoning from "A committee" that may or not be influenced with bias towards a program with blue blood status like Alabama.

I know it sucks but a system like that is not built to stand the test of time like the NFL format does as it first used the current format back in 1978 and has never changed. Meanwhile the college championship format has changed like 3 times in that time frame.

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Posted by Hamma1122

Member since Sep 2016

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:21 am to NawlinsTiger9

Hater. They dominated accept it

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Posted by ForkEmDemons

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:32 am to Sentrius

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And that's based on completely flawed and subjective reasoning from "A committee" that may or not be influenced with bias towards a program with blue blood status like Alabama

Same reason Ohio State got in last year. Committee rewarded them for their name instead of what they actually accomplished.

Alabama is about to be gifted a title for the second time.

NFL and FCS have much better systems.

In FCS conference champions EARN their reward and go to the playoffs regardless of record. After that the rest of the bracket is filled according to RPI as it should. I have no problem with Bama playing for a title but they should get in over a conference champion (or even Auburn) without winning their division. Too subjective to say who is better without head-to-head matchups.

NFL is perfect as their is a great deal of head-to-head and best record advances.

If you apply college football playoff logic to the NFL then Seattle would have made it in over New Orleans because "they passed the eye test".

The FBS playoff system is very flawed and very broken and in no way determines a true champion. We simply shifted one set of problems with the BCS to a new set of problems.

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Posted by heartbreakTiger

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:49 am to Sentrius

Except when a shite 7-9 team gets in by winning the division and host a 10 win team.

The NFL has its flaws in its system

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Posted by TigerFanInSouthland

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:50 am to John McClane

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This is highly relevant to LSU as we can go undefeated except for a regular season loss to Bama and still make the playoffs.

Not with our coaching, we’ll never go undefeated with the guy we’ve got at the helm.

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Posted by ForkEmDemons

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Member since May 2014

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:58 am to heartbreakTiger

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Except when a shite 7-9 team gets in by winning the division and host a 10 win team. The NFL has its flaws in its system

It does have flaws but the most deserving teams due go. That 7-9 team (Seattle) won their division and earned the right to play in the playoffs that year.

In the NFL if you win your division you are at least granted a chance to win a championship. In college football you can do everything required of you and still get no shot while a team that fails will be granted a pass and get the shot over teams who did what they were supposed to.

College football penalizes success while rewarding teams based upon their name, history and money.

Scott Frost was 100% correct when he said that the committee made sure UCF had no shot.

Any system where over half of the teams are eliminated before the first game is a broken system.

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Posted by shel311

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:37 am to NawlinsTiger9

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It's basic logic

Win your division or stay the frick at home

There's actually no logic that dictates a 2nd best team in a division cannot have 1 of the 4 best resumes in the nation.

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Posted by shel311

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:38 am to Sentrius

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It's why the NFL playoff format is much superior as it doesn't give a flying frick about style points and only cares about the right number of W's and L's.

Like when a 7-9 team gets in the playoffs and a clearly better 10-6 team doesn't.

That's more fricked up than Bama getting in without winning their division.

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Posted by shel311

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Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:39 am to NawlinsTiger9

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Because you're a Bama fan.

You've rationalized logical fallacies so you can enjoy a title run.

It's natural.

I'm an LSU fan who doesn't really do hate in sports and I hate Bama more than just about anything I can think of...and I have no issue with Bama being 1 of the 4.

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