re: ATL Thread | 2023 Spring Training discussion + hot takes

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Nah, this isn't MLB The Show. If you don't think trading your ace won't set the tone in the clubhouse for the season, I don't know what to tell you.

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There are trade offs to everything. Sure (and like I said), it would hurt for 2024. But to totally ignore the future (and the rest of my post) for the sake of the current state is ignorant.

There is multiple ways to manage an organization. I don’t know what the best approach is or that there even is a best approach. I’m not sure which camp I’m even in, but I do think you consider it if the return makes sense.

You seem to be in the under no circumstances camp which I disagree with.

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That's up to Atlanta and their horse trading skills. Lesser markets have been doing it for decades.

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Except we have one of the worst farms right now in terms of trade value because we graduated everyone.

Maybe not.

But closed mindedness and shortsightedness won’t help you keep that window open.

I think it’s an interesting decision. If you don’t, fine for me.

On to the weekend. Have a good one.

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Except we have one of the worst farms right now in terms of trade value because we graduated everyone.

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Title contenders aren't thinking that anyway. Atlanta doesn't give me any indication that they are sellers in any respect. With Dansby, you weren't outbidding the Cubs, but if you can't or won't resign your ace, after all these new contracts, that doesn't make any sense. And I don't believe it.

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then try to get equal value now.

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By doing... what?

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If you think our window closes by trading Fried, I guess you think are window is shut after 2024 unless we re-sign Fried?

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It will be a little harder to be competitive in the postseason, yes.

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My point is that unless we re-sign Fried, which most of us agree is unlikely, we are losing him anyways after 2024.

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My point, you may lose even more down the line by trading him before you even give him a chance to turn you down. It'll hurt the pitching staff, the clubhouse, the fans, etc. It's just not a good look or a healthy move for the team.

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or one less year of Fried and more in return that can help sooner?

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What do you think you're getting for Fried that will help "sooner"? The best thing you would get for Fried, at best, won't factor into the MLB roster for another 3 seasons. That's a terrible way to operate when you're trying to win now, because you hurt the "win now" team to prop up the future.

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Has arguing with SBD all the time gotten to your head?

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Oh good god, you're literally just invoking this now because you're mad I don't agree with you.

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This “under no circumstances should we ever consider this” line of thinking is similar to SBD’s “under no circumstances should we ever question AA” line of thinking.

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Huh? If you can't see how what I'm laying out is different from him just saying "Trust AA" then there is no point continuing this discussion. Although, based on your response, you think this is an argument.

Relax my dude.

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Nah, this isn't MLB The Show. If you don't think trading your ace won't set the tone in the clubhouse for the season, I don't know what to tell you.

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I’m not reading through every comment, but yes, letting a pitcher like Fried walk would be an A’s type perennial-loser move. I also fully expect it to happen, even with AA blowing smoke up our asses about Fried being a pitcher who will age well.

I’m mostly done bitching about it, and I hate to bring it back up, but anytime someone is singing AA’s praises for getting lucky raiding the bargain bin a couple years ago while ignoring his many missteps, it needs to be brought up that all-time Braves great Freddie Freeman, in his fricking prime, one year removed from winning the NL MVP, a few months removed from winning a WS, probably one of the best locker rooms guys ever, greatly respected by literally everyone in the league, wanted badly to stay in ATL and wasn’t even asking for much in the grand scheme of things, and AA basically forced him to walk by going behind his back and trading for Matt Olson, who I like, but STILL. Blame who you want, but AA could have initiated all the contact with Freddie’s camp that we wanted to, and frankly, the ball was in his hands, not Freddie’s. That situation was and is 100% on AA, and we’re about to hear the same bullshite with Fried.

AA has made some good WS-winning moves, but he’s also dropped the ball in some huge ways.

Also, I hate when our FO acts broke when they’re clearly neck-deep in profits.

I want to stress the "If" with what I'm about to say because maybe I'm naive and still believe we can keep Fried.

But IF we let Fried walk after next season to make for 3 all stars in 4 years that we let go, anyone that tries to spin that as being "ok" or as a positive for the front office should have their ATL Thread privileges revoked.