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re: ATL Thread | 2023 Spring Training discussion + hot takes
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:25 pm to RunningJacket
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:25 pm to RunningJacket
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Let someone else pay for the back end of his career.
He’s 29. Atlanta fans still proving to be the dumbest in MLB
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:10 am to RunningJacket
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Let someone else pay for the back end of his career.
A lot of pitchers have their best years after 29
With the way Fried pitches he should age well.
But the Padres or Dodgers or somebody will pay him more than we will be willing to if I had to guess, so its a moot point anyway.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:21 am to Elleshoe
He is 29 with this year + 1 more year of arbitration as a Brave.
Afterwards, he will be 31 and will likely command a 6 year deal...
Which means, YES, some club will likely be paying for the back end of his career at 35, 36 and 37 years old.
My initial point is - He's an Ace and an ACE starting pitcher in my opinion is the 2nd most sought after position in all of sports behind stud starting QB.
Letting him go will hurt us bigtime. Keeping him at $30 mill for 6 years may end up hurting us too, in the later years.
Afterwards, he will be 31 and will likely command a 6 year deal...
Which means, YES, some club will likely be paying for the back end of his career at 35, 36 and 37 years old.
My initial point is - He's an Ace and an ACE starting pitcher in my opinion is the 2nd most sought after position in all of sports behind stud starting QB.
Letting him go will hurt us bigtime. Keeping him at $30 mill for 6 years may end up hurting us too, in the later years.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:27 am to wheelz007
If the Braves/AA were to ever make an exception to overpay(as long as it isn't a gross overpay) someone, it should be for Fried, b/c like you said ace SP's don't just grow on trees and when you have one you keep him.
On another subject, this was the Braves lineup yesterday, this will more than likely be the lineup against WASH on Thursday:
On another subject, this was the Braves lineup yesterday, this will more than likely be the lineup against WASH on Thursday:
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:33 am to SteelerBravesDawg
I'm guessing Murphy is the opening day catcher unless he's hurt.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 10:02 am to VADawg
That's my take as well.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:13 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Y’all can throw out all the numbers you want but AA will not resign Fried. And, yes, pitching is the most important part of any baseball team, but that doesn’t mean AA will resign him. It’s all about cost/benefit. Yes, Fried is a stud and will probably continue to be a stud into his 30’s, but AA isnt going to pay him like he’ll want to be paid. Don’t shoot the messenger because you don’t like the message. I wish we’d resign him and sign Ohtani and many other moves. But as a fan who pays attention this isn’t anything new and actually is expected. Heck, if all that matters is winning now we should have signed Bauer.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:27 am to RunningJacket
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Y’all can throw out all the numbers you want but AA will not resign Fried. And, yes, pitching is the most important part of any baseball team, but that doesn’t mean AA will resign him. It’s all about cost/benefit. Yes, Fried is a stud and will probably continue to be a stud into his 30’s, but AA isnt going to pay him like he’ll want to be paid.
That's not the end of the world if true. Jacob DeGrom was not staying in NY and the next thing you know there was Justin Verlander.
The Braves have to stay competitive. This front office seems to know what it takes to keep talent in the barn. And they are spending for what they want.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:30 pm to bamameister
No surprise, Fried has been named Opening Day starter.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:19 pm to bamameister
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That's not the end of the world if true. Jacob DeGrom was not staying in NY and the next thing you know there was Justin Verlander.
Fried is making $13.5m right now. I think deGrom was making $20m-ish with the Mets and then they signed Verlander to over $40m while also giving Senga a $14m per deal the same offseason. The Braves version of that is letting Fried walk and then we MIGHT sign Senga to a deal like that lol. More than likely its a vet on a 1-2 year deal.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:19 pm to bamameister
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That's not the end of the world if true. Jacob DeGrom was not staying in NY and the next thing you know there was Justin Verlander.
Verlander was there for them because they gave a 40 year old pitcher $43M a year for 2 years contract.
If we pass at extending Fried, let’s not pretend like we are then going to turn around and get a comparable pitcher. There are only so many aces and they are all going to demand a contract similar to what Fried will want / get.
Interesting question to me is should we trade Fried in the offseason if we are not going to extend him. Trade him and that obviously hurts 24 chances, but also would help restock the minors as well as sets you up better for sustained success vs only getting a comp pick in return. Essentially the Rays model with much more resources.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:24 pm to POCKET
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Interesting question to me is should we trade Fried in the offseason if we are not going to extend him.
That would signal that we don't have plans to win now and would be a slap in the face to the fan base.
The only way we trade Fried is if we are out of contention by the deadline next season, which I just can't see happening with the expanded playoffs.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:28 pm to Broski
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That would signal that we don't have plans to win now and would be a slap in the face to the fan base.
They are gonna end up letting 3 of their top players go in a 4 years span, I don't think they care
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:29 pm to POCKET
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Essentially the Rays model with much more resources.
But we aren't getting young reclamation projects and fixing them, and you can debate that we might not be as good at talent eval either based on how quickly our system has fallen off. And I know, I know, the international pool stuff.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:35 pm to Broski
Not saying I think they will.
But strategy wise, I may be in the camp that it’s wiser trade in your resources for what you can get instead of waiting until they are worth next to nothing.
In baseball, I think I would rather be a top 10 team every year with a chance to get hot at the end instead of the rollercoaster of a 5 year window followed by a 5 year tear down.
And I don’t think it necessarily sends a terrible message to a fan base. Sure people are attached to Fried personally so that would suck but if we chose to trade Fried for prospects and/or other help and used what we would have paid Fried to sign other FAs that can help then I’d be okay.
If we trade Fried and spend $1.3M on free agents again, then yea bad message.
But strategy wise, I may be in the camp that it’s wiser trade in your resources for what you can get instead of waiting until they are worth next to nothing.
In baseball, I think I would rather be a top 10 team every year with a chance to get hot at the end instead of the rollercoaster of a 5 year window followed by a 5 year tear down.
And I don’t think it necessarily sends a terrible message to a fan base. Sure people are attached to Fried personally so that would suck but if we chose to trade Fried for prospects and/or other help and used what we would have paid Fried to sign other FAs that can help then I’d be okay.
If we trade Fried and spend $1.3M on free agents again, then yea bad message.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:38 pm to POCKET
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In baseball, I think I would rather be a top 10 team every year with a chance to get hot at the end instead of the rollercoaster of a 5 year window followed by a 5 year tear down.
I think everyone would, but when you do that you risk slipping into top 15ish territory or worse and ending up needing to tear down anyway.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:40 pm to POCKET
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But strategy wise, I may be in the camp that it’s wiser trade in your resources for what you can get instead of waiting until they are worth next to nothing.
Nah, this isn't MLB The Show. If you don't think trading your ace won't set the tone in the clubhouse for the season, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:45 pm to TrussvilleTide
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Fried is making $13.5m right now. I think deGrom was making $20m-ish with the Mets and then they signed Verlander to over $40m while also giving Senga a $14m per deal the same offseason. The Braves version of that is letting Fried walk and then we MIGHT sign Senga to a deal like that lol. More than likely its a vet on a 1-2 year deal.
No one expects the Braves to emulate the Mets, I hope. But it doesn't make them Tampa either. I think Fried is worth 20 million in arbitration. A contract worth that each year is about right based on his numbers. I don't see how Atlanta has any choice, either way. The division is going to be brutal.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:47 pm to bamameister
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No one expects the Braves to emulate the Mets,
You just implied the Braves could do something like the Mets just did
deGrom left and they got maybe a better pitcher to replace him. If both of their durability histories hold up and you account that I would say for sure better.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:48 pm to bamameister
I say we trade him next year for this Paul skenes kid from LSU.
Kidding, but the Paul kid is nasty
Kidding, but the Paul kid is nasty
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