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At the end of the day who gets more credit for the Pats? Brady or Belichick
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:03 pm
At one point or another these two aren't going to be on the same team anymore, and while there is no telling how long their careers will go on without each other, unless they happen to retire at the same time, I was wondering who might be attributed more to the success of the Patriots over the last 10+ years. Or perhaps their names will always be synonymous with one another?
We've never seen Brady without Belichick in the NFL, but perhaps one day the Pats will cut their losses and Brady will finish his years out at another team. (ie Manning, Montana)
However we do have some examples of Belichick's record without Brady. A 36-44 record and 1 playoff appearance with the Brown. 16-16 in 2 seasons with the Pats where Brady didn't play (although that 11-5 record in 2008 is usually a playoff worthy record and sometimes will win a team a division)
With that said Belichick is a 3X coach of the year and currently 6th on the all time wins list and only 2 more wins will put him in 5th.
Tom Brady of course has a couple of MVPs, SB MVPs, Offensive Player of the Year awards, etc. and has 19 playoff wins, the most all time.
Together these two have 8 AFC title game appearances, 5 AFC titles, and 3 Super Bowls. So at the end of the day will either get more credit for the Pats success or will just we have to wait until they depart from one another?
We've never seen Brady without Belichick in the NFL, but perhaps one day the Pats will cut their losses and Brady will finish his years out at another team. (ie Manning, Montana)
However we do have some examples of Belichick's record without Brady. A 36-44 record and 1 playoff appearance with the Brown. 16-16 in 2 seasons with the Pats where Brady didn't play (although that 11-5 record in 2008 is usually a playoff worthy record and sometimes will win a team a division)
With that said Belichick is a 3X coach of the year and currently 6th on the all time wins list and only 2 more wins will put him in 5th.
Tom Brady of course has a couple of MVPs, SB MVPs, Offensive Player of the Year awards, etc. and has 19 playoff wins, the most all time.
Together these two have 8 AFC title game appearances, 5 AFC titles, and 3 Super Bowls. So at the end of the day will either get more credit for the Pats success or will just we have to wait until they depart from one another?
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:04 pm to theGarnetWay
The Video Camera
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:06 pm to theGarnetWay
20 pages
We had a good run of no Peyton/Brady threads.
We had a good run of no Peyton/Brady threads.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:08 pm to Roughneck
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:11 pm to theGarnetWay
Who will? Brady
Who should? Belichick
Who should? Belichick
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:11 pm to theGarnetWay
Who cares? Theyre both all time greats
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:17 pm to wildtigercat93
the video camera gets my vote
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:07 pm to theGarnetWay
This won't end well.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:14 pm to theGarnetWay
I was coming into the thread basically to write all of the things you did about Belichick's background pre-Tom.
So, IMO, Brady should get the credit, but they'll probably be held synonymously in history.
Belichick is a pretty average coach without him, but will be held among the highest of all time all because he had a superstar QB, that no one saw coming, land in his lap.
So, IMO, Brady should get the credit, but they'll probably be held synonymously in history.
Belichick is a pretty average coach without him, but will be held among the highest of all time all because he had a superstar QB, that no one saw coming, land in his lap.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 4:20 pm to theGarnetWay
I am so fricking sick of these useless threads.
:beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
:beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 2/6/14 at 4:29 pm to Wendell T. Stamps
quote:
I was coming into the thread basically to write all of the things you did about Belichick's background pre-Tom.
coaches never improve, like Petey.
He won 11 games with Casel @ QB
Posted on 2/6/14 at 4:32 pm to TigerBait1127
The problem with these threads is in order to give praise to one, they feel the need to tear down the other
People for some reason can grasp the concept that two different people can both be great
People for some reason can grasp the concept that two different people can both be great
Posted on 2/6/14 at 4:38 pm to wildtigercat93
I'm starting to think that is sports fans in general.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:08 pm to harry coleman beast
quote:
Who will? Brady Who should? Belichick
FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:12 pm to wildtigercat93
Actually the idea wasn't to credit one and discredit the other. That's part of the reason I listed both their individual accomplishments and didn't title the thread "Who was greater?" (ie like an all-time QB thread) The idea was to recognize the greatness of both but was just trying to get a feel on who history will credit more. Also, if you read the OP, I said will their legacies be synonymous with one another so I was trying to once again imply the greatness of both.
I'm sorry do you actually have threads that are "useful" to you?
eta: You'll also notice that I didn't bash either Brady or Belichik in the OP because I wasn't trying to say "People think both these guys are great, but I think its only one, here is why one of these guys actually sucks"
quote:
I am so fricking sick of these useless threads.
I'm sorry do you actually have threads that are "useful" to you?
eta: You'll also notice that I didn't bash either Brady or Belichik in the OP because I wasn't trying to say "People think both these guys are great, but I think its only one, here is why one of these guys actually sucks"
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:17 pm to Wendell T. Stamps
quote:
Belichick is a pretty average coach without him, but will be held among the highest of all time all because he had a superstar QB, that no one saw coming, land in his lap.
So you mean him and every other great coach?
ETA: and i think Belichick should get 51% and Brady 49%
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:20 pm to Wendell T. Stamps
quote:
Belichick is a pretty average coach
wow
ETA: Please list GREAT coaches so I can compare. Thanks.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:21 pm to dukke v
quote:
FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well shite
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:36 pm to theGarnetWay
obviously completely IMO..
Belichick is the nucleus of the relationship. He made Tom Brady. He molded him. People love to tell the story of Brady being an undervalued talent, but that is not the case. He was an average talent that was molded into an exceptional player by the greatest football coach of all time.
If you take Brady away now, and put him on another team, he will still be excellent. But if you draft him to a different team, without CBB, he is nobody. Definitely not in the league anymore.
Belichick is the nucleus of the relationship. He made Tom Brady. He molded him. People love to tell the story of Brady being an undervalued talent, but that is not the case. He was an average talent that was molded into an exceptional player by the greatest football coach of all time.
If you take Brady away now, and put him on another team, he will still be excellent. But if you draft him to a different team, without CBB, he is nobody. Definitely not in the league anymore.
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