re: Are the Grizzlies better without Ja?

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Vegas doesn't think so. Let's not take 1 game anomaly and conclude that it's a trend.

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Just for context, the Grizzlies were better factually/statistically this entire season when Ja was off the court.

I do think they're better with him obviously but his defensive limitations are really not discussed much and a pretty big issue holding the team back.

Mike brown has a better win % coaching lebron than lue or spo and his rosters had a lot less Help around lebron than either of those guys.

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So now you think he will do well as a coach without any stars? Am I following the logic

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One of the best defensive coaches in the league going to a sqaud who has been at the bottom of the league on defense for a while. I can see it working out.

And I am not guaranteeing he is going to have success, I have just always taken a wait and see approach with coaches Instead of shitting all over them. as we have seen countless times it is all about fit and every situation a coach steps into is different.

Better than the Cavs for sure. Re Lakers,brown had success there. 50+ win pace. Which fyi is better than spoelstra in Miami without lebron, and better than Lue in LAC. And I think at this point both of those guys are consensus top 5 coaches based on what they have done without lebron.

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consensus top 5 coaches based on what they have done without lebron

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Hot take!!!

So after Pop, Doc, and Kerr, you think those are the consensus next two best coaches in the league based on a few mediocre to above average years without lebron?

Doc has more championships and overall success without lebron than those other two bums you out as “consensus” top 5. And since the bar for those two is mediocre to above average, DOc has to be above them

Doc Won a title with 4 hall of famers + some pretty good role players.

And has been knocked out of the playoffs by teams he should have beaten more than a few times.

I don’t see too many people putting doc over either one of those guys the last couple years.

You said Lue and Spo were “consensus” Top 5 coaches. If Doc isn’t above them, why don’t you go ahead and give us your Top 5 so I can have a good chuckle…

And Sebonis may start for that CLE team, but I think your forgetting how important TT was to those CLE teams. He had intangibles bubba.

Comparing a role player v an al star my word

if you were to ask around the league the top coaches you would get

Pop (out of respect)
Nurse
Spo
Lue

And then you would get a good mix of other guys rounding out the top 5. But those would be the top 4 more times than not.

Monty would make a lot of lists. Which is quite funny and fitting for a discussion like this since so many were convinced he sucked as a coach when he was with the New Orleans franchise.

How about a ban bet, I guarantee SAC finishes with a worse record than that CLE team.

With such a stacked roster, and one of the great defensive minds coming in to coach, should be an easy bet for you to take