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re: Anybody know what’s going on with Phil Mickelson?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:58 am to blueboxer1119
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:58 am to blueboxer1119
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Phil had no intention if going over there. This was 100% a negotiating tactic for the NFT stuff. This other league was leverage. Nothing more.
You think Phil wants to hang out in the middle east? Id guess not.
Whether he wanted to join the SGL or not is irrelevant. He hired the lawyers to draw up the contracts for the league. He did the actual deeds to start it and bring over other players. That is all that matters.
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You think Phil wants to hang out in the middle east? Id guess not.
Many of the potential tournaments were not going to be in the Middle East.
The PGA won't care about Phil's intentions, they will care about his actions.
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:39 am to tigerinthebueche
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No, he was actively involved in trying to injure the PGA and colluding with the SGL to promote their new league and make it successful. Try that at your job and let us know how it works out
Wait, you think Phil works for the PGA Tour? The PGA Tour is not his employer at all.
You are confused.
Unlike UFC fighters who are under contract with the UFC only, he is a contractor who doesnt owe the PGA Tour shite. He can play wherever, whenever.
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Phil has made $94M directly from the PGA.
More wrong. Phil made $94 million worldwide by being a major champion spanning over decades. In fact, he has probably generated more revenue than that for the PGA Tour through ads, etc.
Unlike you, Phil recognizes free market capitalism and wants to maximize his brand.
He doesnt owe a god damned thing to the PGA Tour. Nothing.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:41 am to DestrehanTiger
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Whether he wanted to join the SGL or not is irrelevant. He hired the lawyers to draw up the contracts for the league. He did the actual deeds to start it and bring over other players. That is all that matters.
And?
He is not a PGA employee so he can do whatever he wants. Sorry the PGA didnt like how he negotiates.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:44 am to blueboxer1119
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And?
He is not a PGA employee so he can do whatever he wants. Sorry the PGA didnt like how he negotiates.
My point is he will be banned for some time from competing in PGA events. I agree, he doesn't owe the PGA anything, but the PGA also doesn't owe him anything. They don't have to allow him to compete in their tournaments to allow him to make money from endorsement deals.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:09 pm to DestrehanTiger
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They don't have to allow him to compete in their tournaments to allow him to make money from endorsement deals.
Allow him to compete?
What are we talking about? He's the reigning PGA champion.
They wont allow him to compete because they dont like him expressing his opinion and negotiating on his own behalf?
Very, very slippery slope....
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:11 pm to blueboxer1119
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Allow him to compete?
What are we talking about? He's the reigning PGA champion.
They wont allow him to compete because they dont like him expressing his opinion and negotiating on his own behalf?
Very, very slippery slope....
I'm just relaying what has been said in some podcasts I listen to. It will be under "Conduct Unbecoming" to undermine the tour. You also keep saying expressing opinions. He has done way more than that trying to set up the Saudi league. He has done actual documented acts to get it up and running.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:21 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I'm just relaying what has been said in some podcasts I listen to. It will be under "Conduct Unbecoming" to undermine the tour. You also keep saying expressing opinions. He has done way more than that trying to set up the Saudi league. He has done actual documented acts to get it up and running.
And?
He is not an employee of the PGA Tour, so he is free to do whatever he wants.
Are players only able to negotiate in ways that do not upset the PGA Tour?
Do players need to get approval from the PGA Tour before getting involved in business ventures?
If so, is there a list of approved / unapproved businesses for reference?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:24 pm to blueboxer1119
Of course not. He can do what he likes, just like the PGA can by banning him from playing on tour. If you try to spearhead a direct competitor it would be pretty naive to think there would be zero repercussions for doing so
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:26 pm to blueboxer1119
It seems like you are being purposely obtuse. He tried to damage the tour. So, the tour will likely block him from playing in their events for a while.
Right, and they can decide he is banned for a while.
Actually, yes, they do for certain things. There are rules, for instance, on what and how they advertise on their clothing for tournaments.
Just because he doesn't work for them doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants and expect to play in their events. Who knows, maybe they won't ban him, but I doubt it.
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He is not an employee of the PGA Tour, so he is free to do whatever he wants.
Right, and they can decide he is banned for a while.
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Do players need to get approval from the PGA Tour before getting involved in business ventures?
Actually, yes, they do for certain things. There are rules, for instance, on what and how they advertise on their clothing for tournaments.
Just because he doesn't work for them doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants and expect to play in their events. Who knows, maybe they won't ban him, but I doubt it.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:27 pm to DestrehanTiger
I wouldn’t be surprised if his current “step back” that he announced is a sort of suspension
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:32 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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just like the PGA can by banning him from playing on tour.
Can they?
Im not an attorney, but I'm not sure they can do that. What would the official reason be? Does he have some type of contract or agreement in place with the PGA that prohibits him from exploring or investing in alternative leagues? I bet not, which means it would be discriminatory in nature to prevent him from competing.
I'd be interested to hear the opinion of an attorney on this one.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:34 pm to blueboxer1119
They most definitely can
I get you’re arguing for the sake of arguing on the Internet but this is pretty simple to understand
I get you’re arguing for the sake of arguing on the Internet but this is pretty simple to understand
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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They most definitely can
Based on what?
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I get you’re arguing for the sake of arguing on the Internet but this is pretty simple to understand
Not really. Not simple at all. Particularly legally.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:37 pm to blueboxer1119
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Can they?
They don't just show up with their clubs and play in the tournaments. They are members of the PGA. They have a huge rules and bylaws book. Actually, during the dead season, the NLU guys went through it to point out interesting things about it that they did not know. There isn't anything specifically about starting other leagues, I would assume, but there is a general "Conduct Unbecoming" that can be used in this case. Maybe Phil would have some legal recourse, but I highly doubt it. Phil taking a leave of absence probably proves that.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:39 pm to blueboxer1119
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Every league like this has a pretty open ended rules of conduct and ethics they can enforce. Justifying that starting a direct competitor to the league violates that really isn’t a difficult thing to do
The best answer to your purposely obtuse question though is they likely already have. The PGA never announces suspensions and have held with “no comment” when asked if Phil was suspended
He can try to hop on the back 9 at PGA National though and see if anyone notices
Every league like this has a pretty open ended rules of conduct and ethics they can enforce. Justifying that starting a direct competitor to the league violates that really isn’t a difficult thing to do
The best answer to your purposely obtuse question though is they likely already have. The PGA never announces suspensions and have held with “no comment” when asked if Phil was suspended
He can try to hop on the back 9 at PGA National though and see if anyone notices
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:02 pm to wutangfinancial
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I don’t care about this fake news story that will disappear in a week or two. But I want to know what was happening internally for them to cut ties with him. They were obviously looking for an excuse.
The accounting industry is insane right now, and it's borderline impossible to keep people. A loud group inside of KPMG has complained hard about how much he gets paid vs. employee pay, and they are just relentless.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:14 pm to blueboxer1119
quote:Cool. And they owe nothing to him
He doesnt owe a god damned thing to the PGA Tour. Nothing.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:24 pm to blueboxer1119
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You think Phil wants to hang out in the middle east?
Well I think the vast majority of the tournaments in this league would be played in the United States.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:34 pm to Eat Your Crow
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Well I think the vast majority of the tournaments in this league would be played in the United States.
I read somewhere this morning (maybe the Athletic?) that 14 tourneys were a part of the tentative schedule and 10 would be based in the U.S. There were no additional details about where the other four would be played.
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