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re: Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday

Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:09 pm to
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. I think it gets the small publics in a league where they can whine about U-High and Haynesville till they are blue in the face, and it allows the big boys in 4A and 5A to continue to keep LA football great.
you say 4a and 5A keeps Louisiana football great... these split people think it's small town 1a through 3A and have a bias against the bigger schools. The scary thing is not what Jane Griffin and Norman Booker believe it's right, but all the people in their crowd every Friday night believe so too... they believe small town schools play for a "true love of the game" that can't exist at bigger schools

And these hypocrites probably will vote for Donald Trump in November... wonder what he'd say about the split
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:22 pm to
Donald sees $$$ so he would have shot down the split a long time ago. Some of these pro-split schools won't be happy until their league is poor and fiercely non-competitive.
Posted by GGShin
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:25 pm to
All sports should be separate in regards to class (some schools don't offer all sports). Total football schools divide by 5. Total Basketball divide by 5, same for all other sports. There may be few schools who actually compete in different classes depending on sport. Do away with districts, they really don't matter anyway. 75% of Total games during season MUST come from within Class. No play up point when determine Power Rating. Schools would schedule accordingly, stronger schools would play each other and weaker schools would play each other. Play who you want to play. The only argument would be All District teams, change to All Parish teams, bigger Parishes have Big /Small school All Parish.
You could add 1.5 multiplier for privates if that would make people happy, I also like the mandatory sit out for 60 days regardless of reason for transfer.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:30 pm to
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You could add 1.5 multiplier for privates if that would make people happy


What if it doesn't make the privates happy?

Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:41 pm to
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That being said, kids do attend because they use different addresses.

So a public school cannot accept a student from outside its zone unless someone is lying or falsifying documents somewhere along the line?
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You have to sit out a year if you go to private school out of parish.

So no lying or falsifying of any sort is required to attend a private school in another district or area?

Going back to my first post in the thread, this isn't just about some arbitrary rule the LHSAA puts in place or the manner in which they enforce it. There are basic differences in how it's determined whether a student can attend a particular school or not, whether it be public, private, charter, or whatever.

Everyone can agree that active "recruiting" shouldn't be allowed and the LHSAA should enforce whatever rules it puts in place to stop it. If someone is using a fake address to attend a public school in another district they should be turned in to the school board or the LHSAA. If someone moves from a public school to a private school their senior year because the private school needs a QB, they should be turned in to the LHSAA. No one disagrees with any of that.

But to pretend there aren't differences, even when everyone is doing things the right way, is short sighted. And attempting to make one set of rules that covers all of those differences is difficult.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted by GGShin
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:49 pm to
1.5 multiplier to any Private that offers tuition assistance to ANY student that attends their school regardless of circumstance. Also add a $2k retainer to outside agency to investigate rule infractions. If School A thinks School B is cheating, present your case and $2k to agency for investigation. School A is correct abt School B, then School B pays back $2k to School A and receives punishment from LHSAA. School A incorrect they eat the $2k. This would help in schools policing themselves. Principal at School A calls School B and expresses concern abt rule/student etc, School B now has opportunity to investigate themselves and self report if needed or tell School A to take it up with outside agency.
There are better alternatives than a split. It is a State Champioship, it should be hard to achieve, you should have to beat the Best team to win it. Playoffs are a joke. Only 50% of teams in each class should make playoffs. Playoffs should be an achievement as well.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:56 pm to
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quote:
. I think it gets the small publics in a league where they can whine about U-High and Haynesville till they are blue in the face, and it allows the big boys in 4A and 5A to continue to keep LA football great.
you say 4a and 5A keeps Louisiana football great... these split people think it's small town 1a through 3A and have a bias against the bigger schools. The scary thing is not what Jane Griffin and Norman Booker believe it's right, but all the people in their crowd every Friday night believe so too... they believe small town schools play for a "true love of the game" that can't exist at bigger schools

And these hypocrites probably will vote for Donald Trump in November... wonder what he'd say about the split



jane and norman have a right to be pissed about JC and ECA being crammed down their throats by the 4a and 5a folks that had grown weary of them
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:57 pm to
Who's pretending there aren't differences? Let's start charging kids 8k to go to public schools, let them go wherever they want.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:58 pm to
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1.5 multiplier to any Private that offers tuition assistance to ANY student that attends their school regardless of circumstance


1.5 multiplier period....

tuition assistance can be hidden so many ways its unenforceable without subpoena powers and that will never happen...
how bout let's enforce the EXISTING rules first
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:01 pm to
Also, privates usually have much stricter rules about academic eligibility. When I was in school, you had to have a 2.5 to participate and if you got a detention, coach had the discretion to hold you from the game.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:03 pm to
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Who's pretending there aren't differences? Let's start charging kids 8k to go to public schools, let them go wherever they want.

Now that is a well thought out, rational response. Good job.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42131 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:09 pm to
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What if your Dad worked in the oil field and lost his job? Now your parents can't afford private school tuition and you are forced to go to a public school. You should lose your right to play sports/receive a scholarship?


Three are always exceptions, and that's what hardship hearings are for. But rarely is shite like this happening. But if its that big of a deal, move to a different school district for a few years if your kid is scholarship bound.

Also most private schools have tuition assistance. ESPECIALLY for athletes.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:10 pm to
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Now that is a well thought out, rational response. Good job.


I'm sorry you feel parents paying tuition isn't a difference vs. not paying tuition in a public school. I thought difference meant when things weren't the same.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:11 pm to
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Three are always exceptions, and that's what hardship hearings are for. But rarely is shite like this happening. But if its that big of a deal, move to a different school district for a few years if your kid is scholarship bound.

Also most private schools have tuition assistance. ESPECIALLY for athletes.


Have you ever went to/worked at a private school?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:14 pm to
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I'm sorry you feel parents paying tuition isn't a difference vs. not paying tuition in a public school. I thought difference meant when things weren't the same.

I'm sorry, I took your response to be full of sarcasm and stupidity, and apparently it is just stupidity. My mistake.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:14 pm to
Also, is sitting out one year not enough? You want them to sit out 4 years or something?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30592 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:18 pm to
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Also, is sitting out one year not enough? You want them to sit out 4 years or something?

Where have I said anything about sitting out? You obviously have no interest in having an honest discussion about this. I'll just group you in the "herp derp all private schools recruit players and give them scholarships vs herp derp everyone just wants a trophy" group and disregard whatever you say.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42131 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:19 pm to
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Have you ever went to/worked at a private school?


I went to private school k-12. My dad was the principal of a high school for 16yrs, and served on the LHSAA executive committee for several years.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:21 pm to
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I went to private school k-12. My dad was the principal of a high school for 16yrs, and served on the LHSAA executive committee for several years.


Perfect, then you should know that the percentage of students on aid are quite small at a private school. Private schools have to function in the black and are self-reliant on funding. Handing out free money doesn't exactly work.

ETA: I know quite well about how much several 5A private schools are working with in terms of operating budget and I can assure you, especially in the current financial climate, doling out dough for athletes isn't very high right now. Staying above water is the concern for many privates at this point.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42131 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:28 pm to
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Perfect, then you should know that the percentage of students on aid are quite small at a private school. Private schools have to function in the black and are self-reliant on funding. Handing out free money doesn't exactly work.


Perfect then you know that using your own example, of a kid trying to get a scholarship. You'd know that if a kid was that good in sports, the school or booster club would find a benefactor who would pay the tuition to keep him/her in the school.
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