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re: American League Gold Gloves
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:55 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:55 pm to TigerintheNO
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I don't want to hear shite about the fans selecting the all stars if this is the best sports writers come up with
Managers and coaches actually vote, not writers.
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:23 pm to DEANintheYAY
I don't really see what all the fuss is about Jeter winning a GG, though I'm not surprised to hear people bitching. He only had 8 errors all season and posted a .986 fielding percentage. Both are the best numbers this season at SS.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:23 pm to LSUAce007
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I don't really see what all the fuss is about Jeter winning a GG, though I'm not surprised to hear people bitching. He only had 8 errors all season and posted a .986 fielding percentage. Both are the best numbers this season at SS.
My toddler son has better range than that frickwad.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:26 pm to reddman
His range is definitely not a strength, but he does make some spectacular plays in the field that aren't measurable.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:33 pm to LSUAce007
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His range is definitely not a strength, but he does make some spectacular plays in the field that aren't measurable.
Like yah, I once saw him beat of A Rod while "ranging" to his right.
What a joke...dude is a BELOW AVERAGE SS!!
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:57 pm to LSUAce007
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I don't really see what all the fuss is about Jeter winning a GG, though I'm not surprised to hear people bitching. He only had 8 errors all season and posted a .986 fielding percentage. Both are the best numbers this season at SS.
Errors is a useless stat. They are subjective.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:59 pm to lsu31always
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Errors is a useless stat. They are subjective.
Maybe to an extent, but after 500+ chances I think that it's a statistic that holds plenty of significance.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:02 pm to LSUAce007
Number of chances doesn't matter. That could in theory be more errors that were not properly credited to him. Jeter is a below average shortstop.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:04 pm to LSUAce007
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Maybe to an extent, but after 500+ chances I think that it's a statistic that holds plenty of significance.
BUT, when you don't get to balls that many other players get to (RANGE FACTOR) then errors are less impressive!
Aybar made 3 more errors than Jeter but had like 75 more attempts. Aybar also turned 27 more DPs than Jeter and his RF is .78 greater than Jeters, had 34 more put outs and 38 more Assists.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:06 pm to LSUAce007
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I don't really see what all the fuss is about Jeter winning a GG, though I'm not surprised to hear people bitching. He only had 8 errors all season and posted a .986 fielding percentage. Both are the best numbers this season at SS.
well Bill James says he cant field based on some arbitrary fielding stat he came up with, so therefore he sucks
Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:07 pm to lsu31always
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Errors is a useless stat. They are subjective.
what fielding stat isnt subjective?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:59 pm to DEANintheYAY
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dude is a BELOW AVERAGE SS!!
im sorry but this is just a dumb statement coming from a hater.
im not saying he should have won the GG, but he isnt below average.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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im sorry but this is just a dumb statement coming from a hater.
im not saying he should have won the GG, but he isnt below average.
Sorry...AS A FIELDER....he is a below average shortstop....
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:05 pm to Lester Earl
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what fielding stat isnt subjective?
double plays turned, put outs, assists
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:20 pm to Louie T
Someone doesnt understand hyperbole
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:23 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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double plays turned, put outs, assists
all can be subjective in some way considering the ball isn't hit to the differing players the same amount of times
this of course, when comparing 2 players
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:26 pm to LSUAce007
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His range is definitely not a strength, but he does make some spectacular plays in the field that aren't measurable.
His range is terrible and that is very important at shortstop. If his range wasn't terrible, those great plays he makes would be routine and he would be making great plays on a lot of balls that easily get through.
I like Jeter and supposedly he was much better defensively this year than he has been over the last few (when he has been awful in the field). He should not have won a gold glove, though.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:27 pm to DEANintheYAY
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BUT, when you don't get to balls that many other players get to (RANGE FACTOR) then errors are less impressive!
Although he doesn't have the best "Range Factor," he was still 5th in the league among everyday short stops in RF. Not to mention that people have been ragging on Jeter about his range for years. Even when he won a GG in 2005 with a range factor of 4.76...which happens to be even higher than Aybar's 4.68 RF this season.
ETA: Aybar is great and is just as deserving. He's only 25 and this is his first year of playing stellar defense. He was flying under the radar this year, but I'm sure he'll eventually win a few.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:28 pm to Lester Earl
yeah that is very true. when discussing subjectivity of errors, i was focusing on the scorer deciding whether it was an error or not and the subjectivity in that, which is not there in regards to put outs, assists, and shite.
different forms of subjectivity, i suppose.
different forms of subjectivity, i suppose.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:35 pm to LSUAce007
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Although he doesn't have the best "Range Factor," he was still 5th in the league among everyday short stops in RF. Not to mention that people have been ragging on Jeter about his range for years. Even when he won a GG in 2005 with a range factor of 4.76...which happens to be even higher than Aybar's 4.68 RF this season.
This is from: LINK
So John Dewan brought me the printouts from his defensive analysis, and he explained what he had done. John’s henchmen at Baseball Info Solutions had watched video from every major league game, and had recorded every ball off the bat by the direction in which it was hit (the vector) the type of hit (groundball, flyball, line-drive, popup, mob hit, etc.) and by how hard the ball was hit (softly hit, medium, hard hit). Given every vector and every type of hit, they assigned a percentage probability that the ball would result in an out, and then they had analyzed the outcomes to determine who was best at turning hit balls into outs. One of their conclusions was that Derek Jeter was probably the least effective defensive player in the major leagues, at any position
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