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re: Acuna stealing 70 bases should have biggest asterisk in baseball
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:22 pm to dukke v
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:22 pm to dukke v
quote:yes I would. He’s had a great season regardless. But to say that the 70 Stolen bases is legit is preposterous
You would not say this if he played for the Yankees.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:23 pm to POTUS2024
quote:
No stolen base metric is legit now
Just how far does this logic extend? I’m pretty curious. Guys hit a lot more homeruns now than they used to. Pitchers strike out more batters than they used to. The average batting average is way down. Where and when exactly are we deciding whose stats are legit and whose don’t matter and how? Just so I’m informed
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:35 pm to lsufball19
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If Acuna played in the 80s, he would have stolen 100+ bases.
I don't get this. Guys like Ricky Henderson are way down on the historical list of base stealing percentage. I don't recall the 80s being much easier for stealing bases. And the purpose for this rule was to increase steals.
from and msn article:
Across the majors, stolen bases per game are at their highest level (0.72) since 1997, and the share of steals that were successful (80%) is the highest since at least 1920, when times caught stealing were first consistently recorded.
from si:
This has been the biggest year-over-year increase in stolen bases ever recorded in modern baseball.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:37 pm to POTUS2024
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The purpose of the rule was to increase steals
Absolutely no one is disputing that. You haters are just constructing an argument no one is making to have something to complain about.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:38 pm to td01241
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Guys hit a lot more homeruns now than they used to. Pitchers strike out more batters than they used to. The average batting average is way down. Where and when exactly are we deciding whose stats are legit and whose don’t matter and how? Just so I’m informed
What rule change allowed pitchers to strike out more batters and more hitters to hit more HRs?
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:04 pm to td01241
I'm not sure its being a hater for people to point out that his number of steals shot way up after MLB implemented a rule that was specifically designed to make it easier for players to steal a base. If you look at his other season where he had a similar number of games payed he had 37 in '19 when he played 156 games and now it's all the way up to 70 in 155 games.
I don't think you can hand wave away the fact that rule changes for the limit on pick off attempts as well as the pitch timer (which massively reduces the ability of a pitcher to pay attention to the runner) absolutely aided him in being able to have a 33 steal increase.
Yes it's impressive but it's sort of like going from the dead ball era to the live ball era when Babe Ruth's home run total jumped from 29 to 54. Would he have come anywhere close w/o the rule changes? It's highly doubtful.
I don't think you can hand wave away the fact that rule changes for the limit on pick off attempts as well as the pitch timer (which massively reduces the ability of a pitcher to pay attention to the runner) absolutely aided him in being able to have a 33 steal increase.
Yes it's impressive but it's sort of like going from the dead ball era to the live ball era when Babe Ruth's home run total jumped from 29 to 54. Would he have come anywhere close w/o the rule changes? It's highly doubtful.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:07 pm to Dr RC
Again, no one is disputing any of this 
. Show me an example of someone making the argument you guys are constructing arguments against.
. Show me an example of someone making the argument you guys are constructing arguments against. Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:10 pm to td01241
The OP is about how this rule has "tainted" steal numbers and that they can't be looked at the same as old steal numbers. Braves fans then flipped out calling him a hater and to cry more.
I'm simply stating that OP has a legitimate point and it's ignorant to say it's just salty hater tears to correctly point out that Acuna's accomplishment is somewhat manufactured via rule change.
I'm simply stating that OP has a legitimate point and it's ignorant to say it's just salty hater tears to correctly point out that Acuna's accomplishment is somewhat manufactured via rule change.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:28 pm to TigahJay
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Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:30 pm to AUFANATL
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Last year he was coming off major knee surgery and only played part of the season. You can't use that as a comparison.
2019 is more fair - 37 SBs on 46 attempts, but even then he was 20 years old and still learning the finer points of the game.
He's an elite baserunner and those guys always put up solid stats, regardless of the rules. It's the middle of the pack guys with decent but not exceptional speed, who are inflating the SB numbers - guys who might sneak in 3 or 4 a year are now getting 10, etc.
The salty dudes ITT need to realize that Acuña would have had a legit 40/40 season this year even under the old rules/bases.
But facts have never stopped an argument here before.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:36 pm to David Ricky
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David Ricky
Nice of you that I live in your head enough that you actually gatekeep my posts.
How sad are you? Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:39 pm to td01241
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The Braves are the best run organization in baseball.
I pimp the Braves as much as anyone on here but you can put the Astros, Rays and Dodgers on this list along w/the Braves and you wouldn't be wrong saying any of those 4 are the best run in baseball.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:46 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
I agree with you those 4 are probably the best run, but it’s hard to make any argument against the Braves being number 1 currently with the team we have and the contracts we’ve been able to ink almost all of our key players to through their primes.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:46 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Braves fan bois melting
Haven't looked in the mirror ITT, have you?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:48 pm to POTUS2024
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No stolen base metrics are legit now. MLB deliberately inflated these with the rule change.
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POTUS2024
You do realize that under the old rules/bases, Acuña would still have a legit 40/40 season this year, right?
And he was on pace for 40/40 in 2021 when he got hurt.
You old people are really melting over this.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:05 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Nice of you that I live in your head enough that you actually gatekeep my posts. How sad are you?
Lmao how are you this dense? Take another gander dummy, there’s a search function up top and “Plaschke” yielded nothing but posts from your weird arse
And how am I gatekeeping anything? It appears this is yet another instance of stealerbarfdog trying to use a trendy word he has no idea what it means lmao
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:08 pm to David Ricky
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It appears this is yet another instance of stealerbarfdog trying to use a trendy word he has no idea what it means lmao
Brah I was reading at a 5th grade level as a 1st grader, so if you're trying to call me uneducated or illiterate, you're barking up the wrong tree.
But keep trying to psychoanalyze me, it's cute.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:09 pm to td01241
quote:when pitchers have a limit on 3 breaking balls per ab and on the 4th they either hit it, strike out or get awarded a walk. Because that is what this is the equivalent of.
Just how far does this logic extend? I’m pretty curious. Guys hit a lot more homeruns now than they used to.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:14 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Brah I was reading at a 5th grade level as a 1st grader, so if you're trying to call me uneducated or illiterate, you're barking up the wrong tree
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:15 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Brah I was reading at a 5th grade level as a 1st grader
I’m fricking screaming lmao
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