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Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:24 am to bomber77
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What were his numbers in the Chat. game?
11 for 102
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:28 am to barry
If you took Ingram away from Bama, what would their record be?
If you took Gerhart away from Stanford, what would their record be?
Stanford wouldn't be going to a bowl game, first of all. Gerhart is the most valuable player on his team, in addition to putting up the flashy stats. If you took Ingram away from Bama they'd still have a badass defense and a more than capable running back.
If you took Gerhart away from Stanford, what would their record be?
Stanford wouldn't be going to a bowl game, first of all. Gerhart is the most valuable player on his team, in addition to putting up the flashy stats. If you took Ingram away from Bama they'd still have a badass defense and a more than capable running back.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:32 am to SprintFun
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If you took Ingram away from Bama, what would their record be?
If you took Gerhart away from Stanford, what would their record be?
Stanford wouldn't be going to a bowl game, first of all. Gerhart is the most valuable player on his team, in addition to putting up the flashy stats. If you took Ingram away from Bama they'd still have a badass defense and a more than capable running back.
Great argument if this was an MVP trophy.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:33 am to barry
So being the MVP isn't part of being the most outstanding player or whatever bullshite it officially is? Interesting.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:34 am to Lester Earl
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Like in the thread the other night, find the last Heisman winner on a 4 loss team(Gerhart) or 5 loss team(Spiller).
IT's been at least 25 years. I stopped there. Got tired of looking.
After the bowl games, Tebow's team was 9-4 (although I realize it was 9-3 when voting). Bo Jackson's Auburn team was 8-3 when he won (8-4 after the bowl). It's hard to imagine one extra loss means that much to the voters.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:38 am to barry
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Great argument if this was an MVP trophy.
I thought the Heisman was the MVP award.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:38 am to Augustus
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It's hard to imagine one extra loss means that much to the voters.
Especially in a year when the voting is "wide open" and decided on the last weekend really.
Also, I think Suh is going to play a huge part in all of this. Not necessarily for the votes he will get, but because it will take votes away from others. Not sure if that hurts/helps Ingram or Gerhart (I would imagine it hurts Gerhart).
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:39 am to SprintFun
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So being the MVP isn't part of being the most outstanding player or whatever bullshite it officially is? Interesting.
I know heisman voting is bullshite, but i never hear anyone make mvp type arguments for the Heisman. Its a stupid fricking award anyway.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:40 am to bomber77
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I thought the Heisman was the MVP award.
Essentially it is, but I think it officially is for the "Most Outstanding Player in College Football" or some bullshite.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:41 am to bomber77
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I thought the Heisman was the MVP award.
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The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:27 am to barry
4 pages and no mention of YAC?????
How about how Ingram has done most of his damage after contact.
What were Gerharts' top 3 performances and how do they compare with Ingram's top 3?
Ingram averages more yards per carry and per catch.
He has had his best games against the toughest defenses.
He splits TD's with a quality Back up.
I bet you were the guy that thought Tebow deserved it in '06 because he had 25 5 yards or less rushing TDS. Even though he had bad passing stats that cost them two games and DMac ran for nearly 200 yards in his two biggest games.
Ingram is more effective against better defeneses and in bigger situations. He also is a key reason Bama is playing in the BCS Championship game and that Bama is 3-0 against the top 15.
How about how Ingram has done most of his damage after contact.
What were Gerharts' top 3 performances and how do they compare with Ingram's top 3?
Ingram averages more yards per carry and per catch.
He has had his best games against the toughest defenses.
He splits TD's with a quality Back up.
I bet you were the guy that thought Tebow deserved it in '06 because he had 25 5 yards or less rushing TDS. Even though he had bad passing stats that cost them two games and DMac ran for nearly 200 yards in his two biggest games.
Ingram is more effective against better defeneses and in bigger situations. He also is a key reason Bama is playing in the BCS Championship game and that Bama is 3-0 against the top 15.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:29 am to JB Bama
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What were Gerharts' top 3 performances and how do they compare with Ingram's top 3?
Considering Gerhart has 3 200 yard games to Ingrams 1, I assume he dominates Ingrams best performances.
You're just as bad as the guy you're arguing against but at least he presented some stats.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:32 am to SprintFun
Huge difference in 200 yards on 35 carries and 170 yards on 15 carries even though 200>170.
Which of Gerhart's performances are even close to Ingram's SEC championship performance.
170+ yards of rushing/recieving against the nations' #1 ranked defense (according to yardage). I mean they averaged giving up 233 a game and he alone had 170+.
So no Gerhart doesn't dominate Ingram's stats.
Which of Gerhart's performances are even close to Ingram's SEC championship performance.
170+ yards of rushing/recieving against the nations' #1 ranked defense (according to yardage). I mean they averaged giving up 233 a game and he alone had 170+.
So no Gerhart doesn't dominate Ingram's stats.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:42 am to JB Bama
JB Bama- quit with the SEC championship game crap. Ingram's TD runs were 3 yds, 3 yds, and 1 yd. His YPC: 4.0 yards (sub par by his own standards). Running behind Mt Cody, even I could have scored from 3 yds out. I'm not impressed.
He didn't even win the MVP in that game.
Another Bama offensive player (McElroy) won MVP... so you can't say he carried the team to victory.
Dude, Bama was 12-0 regular season in 2008 before Ingram had a great year. 7 players on the first time all-conference in 2009. Ingram is NOT the reason Bama is good... you have an overall great team.
Nobody has mentioned this: Gerhart's stats dominate Ingram's already. What if Gerhart ran behind Bama's far superior OL (compared to Stanford)? His #s would be even more impressive.
He didn't even win the MVP in that game.
Another Bama offensive player (McElroy) won MVP... so you can't say he carried the team to victory. Dude, Bama was 12-0 regular season in 2008 before Ingram had a great year. 7 players on the first time all-conference in 2009. Ingram is NOT the reason Bama is good... you have an overall great team.
Nobody has mentioned this: Gerhart's stats dominate Ingram's already. What if Gerhart ran behind Bama's far superior OL (compared to Stanford)? His #s would be even more impressive.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:58 am to AustinTigah
Good Sir, you have entered the wrong place with your logic and reason.
Take this
Take this
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:59 am to JB Bama
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He splits TD's with a quality Back up.
Richardson's 6 TDs and Ingram's 15 still don't equal Toby's 26, just a FYI.
EDIT: Gerhart averages 14.8 yards per catch to Ingram's 10.7 yards per catch too. So I guess that argument is debunked.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 1:27 pm to SprintFun
Ingram had 3x the Recieving yards as Gerhart, are you suggesting he is a better recieving RB than Ingram?
Ingram has close to 1,000 YAC. Say what you will about Bama's O-line but his YPC coupled with his YAC clearly show he's earned every yard. If Ingram played at Stanford his numbers would look like this.
Ingram @ Stanford 311 attempts, 1,928 yards.
Gerhart @ Bama 249 attempts, 1394 yards.
Ingram has close to 1,000 YAC. Say what you will about Bama's O-line but his YPC coupled with his YAC clearly show he's earned every yard. If Ingram played at Stanford his numbers would look like this.
Ingram @ Stanford 311 attempts, 1,928 yards.
Gerhart @ Bama 249 attempts, 1394 yards.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 1:28 pm to Augustus
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It's hard to imagine one extra loss means that much to the voters.
9-3 is a New Years Day bowl and nearly a top 10 team
8-4 is some no name shitty bowl and a bottom 25 ranking
Posted on 12/9/09 at 1:29 pm to AustinTigah
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AustinTigah
if u are going to come back in this thread, answer all my questions from page 2 and 3.
otherwise u are a hack
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