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re: A Heisman RB comparison - NICE CHART
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:14 pm to Lester Earl
DevilDogTiger - Ingram had two extra games (14 to 12) and still loses on total yards and TDs.
Lester- the "opponent's rushing defense" stat was intended to ward off any claims that Stanford plays against weak D (not as much to discredit Ingram).
Since when did a Heisman winner get all these excuses? *IF* Richardson didn't get the ball so much... *IF* Bama didn't play such cupcakes...
If my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle. Stats don't lie, and if the stats don't add up... we shouldn't award the Heisman on IFs.
Lester- the "opponent's rushing defense" stat was intended to ward off any claims that Stanford plays against weak D (not as much to discredit Ingram).
Since when did a Heisman winner get all these excuses? *IF* Richardson didn't get the ball so much... *IF* Bama didn't play such cupcakes...
If my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle. Stats don't lie, and if the stats don't add up... we shouldn't award the Heisman on IFs.
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Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:16 pm to AustinTigah
I said barely because of the carries, probably should have mentioned that. Probably gets a lot a harder to run in the 4th when you have no backup to give you a few plays off
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:23 pm to AustinTigah
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Lester- the "opponent's rushing defense" stat was intended to ward off any claims that Stanford plays against weak D (not as much to discredit Ingram).
62 is pretty weak
take out FIU and North Texas and how much would Ingram's vault up??
and thsoe were 2 of his 5 games that were "under 100"...he only averaged 8 YPC in those 2 games
vs Tenn, 99 yards. 5.5 YPC..."under 100 game"...
Meanwhile Gerhart had less than 20 carries in 1 game. Regardless if they skull fricked someone, he was left in to gobble up meaningless yardage.
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Since when did a Heisman winner get all these excuses? *IF* Richardson didn't get the ball so much... *IF* Bama didn't play such cupcakes...
He still had 1500 yards. over 6 YPC. In the SEC
last full time SEC RB to go over 1500 yards and 6 YPC???? look it up, it doesnt happen much
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tats don't lie, and if the stats don't add up.
these stats lie a whole bunch
this is just a bullshite amateur chart. It doesnt prove shite,
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Meanwhile Gerhart had less than 20 carries in 1 game.
So being a workhorse and carrying your team doesn't mean anything?
Something Ingram would know nothing about considering that on the most important drive of Alabama's season Richardson was carrying the load while Ingram was on the sideline.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:29 pm to 1ranter1
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So being a workhorse and carrying your team doesn't mean anything?
you're penalizing ingram for his team having a great backup
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:30 pm to Lester Earl
I have no opinion on who is the better running back at all or who should win, but before people start bashing his chart for being biased make one yourself. At the very least bring stats with you.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're penalizing ingram for his team having a great backup
When that backup was the best running back on the team in a couple games, how can anyone say Ingram is the best player in the country?
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:32 pm to lsubeagle
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At the very least bring stats with you.
They can't bring the stats with them. The only stat Ingram has is YPC.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:36 pm to 1ranter1
I wouldn't have a problem with either one of them winning. To say that one had a clearly better season than the other is pretty silly imho
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:38 pm to 1ranter1
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So being a workhorse and carrying your team doesn't mean anything?
getting 20+ carries in blowouts vs Wash St and San Jose St
compared to INgram getting 8 or 10 against similar competition then sitting down to rest??
he was really carrying his team those days
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Something Ingram would know nothing about considering that on the most important drive of Alabama's season Richardson was carrying the load while Ingram was on the sideline.
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:39 pm to 1ranter1
Beagle- thank you. But again, I hate the PAC 10 and am from Alabama... why would I produce a biased chart?
Lester- if I didn't know you as the biggest dick on this board since 2003, I'd be offended. "Amateur"? Funny... I'm in the stats business for a living and you can't name one single metric that is missing/misleading here (outside of YPC that I forgot). How about instead of being a dick for dick's sake, produce an objective argument grounded in reality and statistics? Cock.
Lester- if I didn't know you as the biggest dick on this board since 2003, I'd be offended. "Amateur"? Funny... I'm in the stats business for a living and you can't name one single metric that is missing/misleading here (outside of YPC that I forgot). How about instead of being a dick for dick's sake, produce an objective argument grounded in reality and statistics? Cock.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:41 pm to Lester Earl
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sitting down to rest
Again, subjective subjective. The basis for bias in statistics.
Opinion plays no part in comparing hard facts...
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:45 pm to AustinTigah
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. I'm in the stats business for a living and you can't name one single metric that is missing/misleading here (outside of YPC that I forgot). How about instead of being a dick for dick's sake, produce an objective argument grounded in reality and statistics? Cock.
YPC is prob the most important stat when comparing similar running backs, but you must have just over looked that.
And you disregarded everything I just said. Do you want me to type it again???
you cited a stat saying Ingram rushed for less than 100 yards in 5 games.
2 were blowouts where he averaged 11 and 7 YPC respectively
another was 99 yard game vs Tenn, a very good DEF, and was at 5.5 YPC.
he's essentially had 2 bad games. vs ARK and AUB.
You also cited a stat using rushing defense of the average opponents, which, without looking at the stats, is easily weighed down by games vs FIU and North Texas...games he was out of by halftime.
meanwhile Gerhart was getting carries in blowouts. 20 plus. Meaningless yards and TDs.
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I'm in the stats business for a living
what are you, an account? Surely you have nothing to do with sports statistics by posting this amateur jibberish.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:48 pm to AustinTigah
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Opinion plays no part in comparing hard facts...
you're a fricking idiot if you believe this.
Every stat has some kind of underlying variable or context to it.
hypothetically,
If Gerhart averaged 3.4 YPC and had 1800 yards, and Ingram averaged 6.7 YPC and only had 1500 yards, does that mean Gerhart is better???
"i mean, he has MORE YARDS""
Right?? Right???
no, wrong. You are an idiot. Go balance your check book buddy
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:53 pm to Lester Earl
Ah, I get it now. Oldest trick in the book... slicing out specific data that supports your arguments, cherry-picking games that mean more than others, inserting assumptions throughout (he rested here, they were blow-outs there), and ignoring the aggregate.
Cool!
Thanks Lester for the education! I'll tell my clients tomorrow!
What a tool.
Cool!
Thanks Lester for the education! I'll tell my clients tomorrow!
What a tool.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:56 pm to AustinTigah
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slicing out specific data that supports your arguments,
you mean like the chart you provided comparing the 2 RBs???
why did you put their YPC???
or their receiving stats???
you're a hypocrite.
admit you are wrong, or biased, or just an amateur and move on.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:57 pm to Lester Earl
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You also cited a stat using rushing defense of the average opponents, which, without looking at the stats, is easily weighed down by games vs FIU and North Texas...games he was out of by halftime.
meanwhile Gerhart was getting carries in blowouts. 20 plus. Meaningless yards and TDs.
earlier you tell people not to penalize Ingram for being injured, but you penalize Gerhart for playing in the game. It isn't his fault that the coach didn't take him out. You can't penalize him for playing the game.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:02 pm to F machine
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earlier you tell people not to penalize Ingram for being injured,
huh??
injured?
they took him out cause they were 2 blowouts.
It's not his fault they took him out the same way its not Gerhart's fault they left in him during blowouts.
but when comparing the 2, you just have to put some of these stats in context.
If Ingram plays a full game vs North Texas and FIU, then his stats are prob just as good as Gerhart's.
and i was making fun of someone saying Gerhart was a "workhorse" in these games...they were fricking blowouts...20+ carries was necessary???? ok, if u say so
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:02 pm to F machine
all i know about this is white power.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:04 pm to Lester Earl
Conversation over. Admin- lock the thread.
Losers like ole' Lester will continue to post ad nauseum... can't be wrong! (between another wank to soft porn, World of Warcraft session, and meatloaf dinner with mom). Almost 100,000 message board posts... what a life you've created for yourself!
Out.
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