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Posted on 3/25/09 at 10:52 am to Bigpoppat
You must be a Celtic fan. No Gary Payton
Reggie Miller for sure
Reggie Miller for sure
Posted on 3/25/09 at 10:55 am to CP3LSU25
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No Gary Payton
Reggie Miller for sure
LOL
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:00 am to LSU Fan 90812
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he's already put together some of the best statistical seasons in history. And he's been playing 6 years.
Like I said earlier, LeBron isn't in the top 100 for any major statistical category. He has no rings. He has no MVPs. He isn't worthy yet.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:03 am to AlexLSU
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AlexLSU
You will go very high in the next ranter draft
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:06 am to PortCityTiger24
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You will go very high in the next ranter draft
Why should LeBron be on the list at this point? If his career ended tomorrow, what does he have to prove he is worthy?
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:06 am to PortCityTiger24
AlexLSU=LSU=AWESOME
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:08 am to AlexLSU
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Like I said earlier, LeBron isn't in the top 100 for any major statistical category. He has no rings. He has no MVPs. He isn't worthy yet.
those are longevity records. no big deal.
he's already put together 4 of the top 20 most statistically efficient seasons in history.
this season, his PER is only behind Jordan in the past 35 years. If Shaq can be named top 50 after 4 years in the league, Lebron can be after 6.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:51 am to LSU Fan 90812
I think LeBron is one of the 50 greatest players now already, but that's based on his ability and future accomplishments that I'm assuming he achieves. He's only been in the league for what, 6 years? He just doesn't have the track record at this point to warrant such a lofty award. In another 3-4 years, he's a show in. That's long enough for his stats to be up in that realm, and by then, he'll have at least 2 MVPs I'd assume and maybe a championship.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 11:59 am to AlexLSU
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I think LeBron is one of the 50 greatest players now already, but that's based on his ability and future accomplishments that I'm assuming he achieves. He's only been in the league for what, 6 years? He just doesn't have the track record at this point to warrant such a lofty award. In another 3-4 years, he's a show in. That's long enough for his stats to be up in that realm, and by then, he'll have at least 2 MVPs I'd assume and maybe a championship.
he's been in the top 5 players for 4 consecutive years now. He could've won the mvp any of the last 4 years, and his numbers merited that.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Wade has been right there with Lebron, Won an NBA title, and Was Finals MVP. He leads the league in scoring currently.......I think he has to be in right now. Especially considering his competition for the remaining 12 spots. I can't even finish my list of 12 that should go in.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I think that if you allow the Shaq clause, he gets in as a no brainer. However, if one was against Shaq getting in (I was at the time, Nique and Bernard King should have been in ahead of him at that juncture) then, Lebron gets bumped.
Either way, if they do another one of these in 5 years or more, no doubt he is in, unless something catastrophic happens.
Either way, if they do another one of these in 5 years or more, no doubt he is in, unless something catastrophic happens.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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he's been in the top 5 players for 4 consecutive years now. He could've won the mvp any of the last 4 years, and his numbers merited that.
I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that if you compare him to the other guys up for consideration, he doesn't have the stats yet to belong, regardless of the fact that he's a better player.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:06 pm to AlexLSU
I think "Greatest Player" is talking about who is a better player. Not the guy with the best stats. Longevity comes into play when a guy is on the fence for this. Guys like Wade and LBJ are clearly better then their competition IMO.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:07 pm to AlexLSU
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I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that if you compare him to the other guys up for consideration, he doesn't have the stats yet to belong, regardless of the fact that he's a better player.
irrelevant.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:13 pm to Hooligan33
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if they do another one of these in 5 years or more
That's when this will be easier to do. We have so many incredible players that are in their mid 20's now.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:15 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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irrelevant.
How are stats, awards, and titles irrelevant to determining if he's one of the greatest players ever? You can't put guys in that realm without a certain amount of accomplishments. Just because you think he's top 50 skill wise doesn't mean he belongs. You have to prove it over a period of time longer than 3-4 years. The only way I would let him in at, what, 23?, is if he had a few titles and MVPs at this point.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:16 pm to AlexLSU
In 5 years add CP3, Howard, Melo to Wade and LBJ. Probably a couple of other young bucks as well.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:18 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Melo
I don't know. He's a really good scorer, that's about it.
Posted on 3/25/09 at 12:20 pm to AlexLSU
did shaq?
james has been flat out dominant in his first 6 years in the league. he's been the fastest to a number of statistical milestones.
ROY- 6 time All Star. All NBA 1st Teamer 4 times. Scoring Titles. One of only 3 people to Average 25 7 and 7. And he's done it multiple times.
He's already done and doing some of the things the originally top 50 never did. You're just looking at the wrong stats.
And if shaq can be put in the top 50 after 4 seasons, than lebron can be top 62 after 6 seasons.
His age is also irrelevant. His career is that of a 26 year old.
james has been flat out dominant in his first 6 years in the league. he's been the fastest to a number of statistical milestones.
ROY- 6 time All Star. All NBA 1st Teamer 4 times. Scoring Titles. One of only 3 people to Average 25 7 and 7. And he's done it multiple times.
He's already done and doing some of the things the originally top 50 never did. You're just looking at the wrong stats.
And if shaq can be put in the top 50 after 4 seasons, than lebron can be top 62 after 6 seasons.
His age is also irrelevant. His career is that of a 26 year old.
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