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re: 3/7 College Hoops Discussion Thread
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:05 pm to Korin
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:05 pm to Korin
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Don't say that.
I mean, I'm not rooting for them but they have looked really, really good in a year where there isn't anyone really lapping the field, so to speak.
Kansas is the best team I've seen this year but I absolutely do not trust a Bill Self team in March.
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:08 pm to VADawg
Maryland when they are on is probably a team that can win. But I don’t trust them to win more than 2 games in a row.
Gonzaga is that team if it breaks right they’ll win it. Just depends on who they get in Sweet 16 and Final 4
Gonzaga is that team if it breaks right they’ll win it. Just depends on who they get in Sweet 16 and Final 4
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:08 pm to VADawg
Great finish to OU/TCU. Tie game with :30 left.
Lon Kruger has had a really, really underrated coaching career. He has taken at least three different teams to the tournament and made the Final Four with two of them (UF and OU).
ETA: OU hits a shot with .5 seconds left to probably win it. What a comeback.
Lon Kruger has had a really, really underrated coaching career. He has taken at least three different teams to the tournament and made the Final Four with two of them (UF and OU).
ETA: OU hits a shot with .5 seconds left to probably win it. What a comeback.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:10 pm to sms151t
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Maryland when they are on is probably a team that can win. But I don’t trust them to win more than 2 games in a row.
Way, way too inconsistent. I'm picking them to lose on the first weekend.
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Gonzaga is that team if it breaks right they’ll win it. Just depends on who they get in Sweet 16 and Final 4.
Good team, hard to trust in the later rounds. I watched BYU run them out of the gym a few weeks ago.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:14 pm to VADawg
I did also but it was at Marriot and BYU is decent and great there. BYU is a team a lot like Texas Tech last year they’re mean and can score. They just aren’t as fast.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:15 pm to sms151t
SMS within 3 with :20 left on 11-2 run
They’re fouling a 79% Freshman
They blow it by not understanding the situation and panicking
They’re fouling a 79% Freshman
They blow it by not understanding the situation and panicking
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:16 pm to sms151t
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BYU is a team a lot like Texas Tech last year they’re mean and can score. They just aren’t as fast.
TT got to the title game with smothering defense, amazing athleticism, a few guys who could shoot, and Culver creating for everyone. BYU doesn't have nearly the same caliber of athletes that TT did last year. Their length and athleticism particularly bothered Cassius Winston in the Final Four game.
I've seen enough of your post history to know that you know your shite on CBB so I'm sure I'm not breaking any news here.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:18 pm to WestCoastAg
We always chant ucla sucks during Tusk.
Jonaaaah MATTHEWS FTW!
SC’s tourney stock is rising.
Jonaaaah MATTHEWS FTW!
SC’s tourney stock is rising.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:19 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Boooo
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:20 pm to VADawg
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Kansas is the best team I've seen this year but I absolutely do not trust a Bill Self team in March
then who are you trusting? just K and Cal this year?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:22 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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then who are you trusting? just K and Cal this year?
Duke can't shoot, just like last year.
I honestly have no idea who I would pick to win it all if the tournament started today. It depends on matchups, but I really like Florida State right now and I think Michigan State is getting their shite together at the right time to make a big run, as usual with Izzo.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:22 pm to VADawg
Culver wasn’t good (for him) in the tourney it was the PG that took over. But BYU is relentless they just beat you up. Like I said they’re not fast so they won’t set you or not going to run you out of a gym. They’re a TBT type team.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:24 pm to VADawg
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in a year where there isn't anyone really lapping the field, so to speak.
This take died awhile ago. The difference between KU and #2 on kenpom is the same as #2-#8. Just finished up the best run through the Big 12 in almost 20 years. Haven’t lost a game full strength all year.
Now, that doesn’t mean they’ll win the tournament because that doesn’t happen often. But KU is absolutely a step above everyone else.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:25 pm to VADawg
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I think Michigan State is getting their shite together at the right time to make a big run, as usual with Izzo.
izzo is essentially one game better than self in the ncaa tournament over a 25 year period. but you "can't trust self" and think izzo consistently makes big runs.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:26 pm to sms151t
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Culver wasn’t good (for him) in the tourney
DeAndre Hunter took his lunch money in the national title game for sure.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:26 pm to arkyhawk
kansas is double lapping the field right now, but then will lose in the elite 8 or final four in a great game against a good team, and it will be counted as a "choke."
rinse, lather, repeat
rinse, lather, repeat
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:31 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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izzo is essentially one game better than self in the ncaa tournament over a 25 year period. but you "can't trust self" and think izzo consistently makes big runs
I've seen Self have great teams and lose early too many times. I've always gotten the sense that Kansas plays tight in the tournament. Their 2008 team was obviously spectacular and 2012 was his masterpiece, but there's a reason that the joke about "what seed is Self going to lose to next" exists.
Self is a hall of famer and four Final Four trips is nothing to sneeze at, but it seems like they should have more. 2009 comes to mind (loss to N Iowa when they were hands down the best team in the country), the year they lost in the second round to Wichita State was bad, and getting run out of the gym by Oregon in 2017 (in Kansas City, no less) was inexcusable. Losing to Stanford in the second round in 2014 was the worst one of the bunch.
ETA: I found this page where you can sort different coaches based on different criteria. In the second column, you can sort based on performance against seed expectations (PASE). Since 2003, when Self took the Kansas job, Izzo is #2 in this category. Self is #328. K is #330.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:42 pm to VADawg
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there's a reason that the joke about "what seed is Self going to lose to next" exists.
yeah cause people are dumb and think that winning a single elimination tournament is easy.
the wichita state loss just simply wasn't a bad loss. wichita state was as good or better than kansas (apparently better). the stanford loss without embiid was fine too. that team wasn't good, and especially not without embiid. losing in the elite 8 against a really good oregon team is gonna happen. self's overachievements in the regular season have done more damage to his postseason perception than anything else. izzo would have gotten like 7 seeds in all of those years.
northern iowa and vcu are the 2 inexcusable losses that kansas fans are not OK with. michigan hurts as well, but at least that team was quite good.
it's all good, but the perception that izzo is a march wizard and self is a bum is a complete joke and i have to comment on it every time i see it.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:45 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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michigan hurts as well, but at least that team was quite good.
I will never use that as a negative against Self because that Michigan team was absolutely loaded. They had a midseason lull that dropped them to a 4 seed but they were ranked #1 during that season for a reason.
See the ETA in my last post for a link about performance against seed expectation.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:54 pm to VADawg
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See the ETA in my last post for a link about performance against seed expectation.
i don't believe in performance against seed expectation as a statistic AT ALL.
the goal is to get the best seed possible. izzo sucking at that is not a positive. his ncaa tourney success is a positive and he manages to overcome poor regular season performance to be successful in the tournament, which he is. that's all very good.
but there are no bonus points for winning as a lower seed. the fact that self and K are that low is completely unsurprising and expected. they simply cannot match their seeding, it'd be impossible. K is the best tournament coach of all time, why would anyone give value to a statistic that has him in the 300s?
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 7:56 pm
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