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re: 16 team playoff?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:48 pm to JB Bama
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:48 pm to JB Bama
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What 4 teams do you take this year in a 4 team playoff?
Oregon, Auburn, Boise St, TCU?
What if Oregon and Auburn pick up a loss who do you take then?
if the season ended today, those 4 would be fine with me, I also don't care if 1 loss teams with a much better SOS passes some one up. As to what if OU or AU lost. Depends on what everyone else does.
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There has been more than 4 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season before.
This system rewards the same thing the current BCS does. Play cupcakes keep a perfect record. Why risk a drop in the ranking by playing a conference championship?
aside from 2009 name one. Its pretty rare to have more than 2.
When you limit the number of teams, and incorporaate rankings and computers, playing a completely crappy schedule means you risk not getting in (see Auburn 2004). Just look at the years of the BCS. 09 and 10 are the outliers in terms of having so many unbeaten teams. Usually its 1 or 2.
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:52 pm to JB Bama
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Did you know in 2008 Florida won the national championship and their Atheltic Department netted +40k just for football?
overall? from that one game? what do you mean? Most AD's run in the red. The only sports the generate revenue are FB and Men's BB and FB kills BB in that regard.
Its the university Presidents that by and large oppose a playoff. If they wanted it, it would happen. I think they understand the financial implications better than some dude at SI.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:17 pm to JB Bama
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What 4 teams do you take this year in a 4 team playoff?
Oregon, Auburn, Boise St, TCU?
What if Oregon and Auburn pick up a loss who do you take then?
depends on the rankings
who do you take as your 5 at-large teams in the 16 team playoff? what if that 5th team loses? :omg:
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What if Nebraska and Ohio State had gone undefeated as well would you leave out TCU and Boise?
i say so what?
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There is a much larger downside to a 4 team playoff than a 16.
giving a shite team a shot is the ultimate down side. a Fresno State-type champion is a fricking mockery
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Did you know in 2008 Florida won the national championship and their Atheltic Department netted +40k just for football?
most athletic departments are non-profit, so i'm shocked their books said $40k
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:41 pm to JB Bama
8 teams , 4 best conferences that year get tie ins, 4 at large
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:22 pm to LesMilesMorePryor
how would you decide what are the 4 best conferences?
You guys keep offering subjective matter to determine who gets one of 4 or 8 spots. Yes they'll be debate about who the 5 at large spots are, but whoever it is won't have won their conference and will have possibly multiple losses.
Fresno St. isn't going to win 4 games in a row agianst top 10 teams. This is football not basketball where a hot shooter can carry a team through 3 games.
You realize a 5 vs. 4 second round matchup this year would probably be Boise St. hosting LSU.
Under a 4 game playoff LSU is eliminated by their one loss to Auburn.
How many close games are decided by referees? Lets say LSU lost to Auburn on a controversial call. With your 4 game playoff you are comfortable with one controversial loss to an undefeated Auburn team is conclusive evidence you aren't deserving of winning the national championship, if in that manner you can keep a "crappy team" like Fresno St. from winning 4 straight games against top 10 opponents?
You guys keep offering subjective matter to determine who gets one of 4 or 8 spots. Yes they'll be debate about who the 5 at large spots are, but whoever it is won't have won their conference and will have possibly multiple losses.
Fresno St. isn't going to win 4 games in a row agianst top 10 teams. This is football not basketball where a hot shooter can carry a team through 3 games.
You realize a 5 vs. 4 second round matchup this year would probably be Boise St. hosting LSU.
Under a 4 game playoff LSU is eliminated by their one loss to Auburn.
How many close games are decided by referees? Lets say LSU lost to Auburn on a controversial call. With your 4 game playoff you are comfortable with one controversial loss to an undefeated Auburn team is conclusive evidence you aren't deserving of winning the national championship, if in that manner you can keep a "crappy team" like Fresno St. from winning 4 straight games against top 10 opponents?
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:46 pm to tweaver18
Reorganize the conferences into 8 12-team groups with 2 divisions in each with 6 teams in each division. Each conference would have a championship game with the 8 winners being seeded 1-8 by something like the current BCS formula.
If a conference happened to have the best 2 teams in the same year, too bad. The conference championship would determine the conference representative in the bracket.
This would allow for 1 or 2 slip-ups per team with a chance to prove themselves worthy in their conference championship game.
The only problem with this is that the NCAA would have to get rid of 24 D-1 teams to get down to the 96 total teams .
If a conference happened to have the best 2 teams in the same year, too bad. The conference championship would determine the conference representative in the bracket.
This would allow for 1 or 2 slip-ups per team with a chance to prove themselves worthy in their conference championship game.
The only problem with this is that the NCAA would have to get rid of 24 D-1 teams to get down to the 96 total teams .
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:57 pm to JB Bama
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but whoever it is won't have won their conference and will have possibly multiple losses.
exactly the type of team I don't winning the title.
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Fresno St. isn't going to win 4 games in a row agianst top 10 teams
they probably won't. That's not what I care about. I don't want a teams like 2001 LSU or 2005 Fla State (teams that most certainly could win 3 or 4 games vs top 10-16 teams) winning the title either. Look at the "David" winners in basketball (NC St, Nova, Kansas) all power conference teams that had lesser regular seasons and got hot at the end. Its not Bulter that bothers me, its the 2007 Giants.
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Under a 4 game playoff LSU is eliminated by their one loss to Auburn.
sometimes, including this year, but not always (see 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 seasons) as recent examples of SEC teams with a loss winning the NC under the current 2 team format.
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Lets say LSU lost to Auburn on a controversial call.
what is to prevent a team from losing in a contraversial call in the playoffs? We could sit here all day and list those
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
So H-town provide a better solution.
I'm perfectly fine with the 2007 Giants, the Patriots choked.
I'm perfectly fine with the 2007 Giants, the Patriots choked.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:26 pm to tweaver18
16 is too many. 4 or 8 would be plenty. i really only advocate that any undefeated team be allowed, and any one loss BCS conf champion. If there are only two undefeated teams like usc and texas in 2005(?) then its fine. But Auburn undefeated in 2004 getting left out is flat out ridiculous.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:51 pm to JB Bama
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So H-town provide a better solution
I already did. 4 team play off or the current BCS.
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I'm perfectly fine with the 2007 Giants, the Patriots choked.
The Patriots lost one game, by 3, in the last seconds, hardly choking, but if you call that choking, what do you call the 6 games the Giants lost, including a 3 point loss to the Patriots? I think the entire season should matter not just a handful of specially named games at the end. Its not that the Patriots got shafted, its that the Giants did not belong there in the first place. Any good to mediocre team can win 1 game.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Any true champion won't lose that 1 game.
Any good to mediocre team can win 1 game.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:59 pm to Lou
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Any true champion won't lose that 1 game.
I hope that's a fricking joke
Posted on 11/16/10 at 5:02 pm to JB Bama
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Do your research SFP before you throw out how crazy home playoff games are.... Why in the world would that be a bad idea?
because, like I said earlier in this thread, that would give the SEC and Big10 as much as $37.5million more a year than the other conferences. You yourself outline that each team would get $12.5 million for each playoff team
16 teams with 5 at larges, meaning the SEC and Big10 would get at least 2 of those, if not more. Like SFP said, the divide between the haves and have nots would be huge.
If we have to get away from the current model, I'd hate anything bigger than 4 teams, but I like the BCS as it is. The best would be to split the league into 2 divisions and then you'd have more balanced schedules like the NFL
Posted on 11/16/10 at 5:07 pm to Lou
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Any true champion won't lose that 1 game.
but a true champion can lose 6, because those don't really matter right? But no, playoffs don't diminish the regular season at all.
I'd rather the champion be the best or one of the best teams. an NFL team that goes 18-1 is clearly better than one that goes 14-6
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