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re: 16 team playoff?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:02 pm to JB Bama
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:02 pm to JB Bama
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They go very in depth about why a 16 team playoff is best,
The BCS is corrupt but a 16 team playoff is ludicrous. For example, if you go by the current rankings, a Virginia Tech team that lost to James Madison at home would have an equal shot at the title as Oregon, Auburn, and LSU does. That's absolute madness. A team should never get an automatic berth for winning a shitty conference, 2010 Big East champion I'm looking at you.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:03 pm to tweaver18
16 team playoff is a horrible, horrible, horrible idea. I'd rather go back to the old bowl system with no title game
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:05 pm to The Easter Bunny
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16 team playoff is a horrible, horrible, horrible idea. I'd rather go back to the old bowl system with no title game
lets not go overboard
The old system would have given USC 4 titles in 5 years.
ETA: I don't like the 16 team playoff, but if its all 11 conference winners that's better than 8 giving the 6 BCS conferences auto bids.
4 is what it needs to be.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:07 pm to fish farmer
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24 team bracket just like the lower division. All conference champions receive automatic playoff bids. I believe this comes out to 11. Pick 13 at - large teams.
That sounds horrible
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:09 pm to The Easter Bunny
16 team would mean #1 plays #16 Troy
Va Tech an at large would play @#5 LSU or some such.
So yes they have a chance but their road runs through @Auburn or @Oregon with harder games beforehand.
Why the hell are you people against important home playoff games?
You don't think Arksansas fans would love the opportunity to crack the At-Large or deserve the chance if their only 2 losses are to #1 Bama and later to #2 Auburn? Compared to Boise St or TCU's schedule?
16 teams ensures both successful programs get the chance, but it doesn't lessen Auburn's successful undefeated run as they get the easiest playoff road and home field until the end.
Va Tech an at large would play @#5 LSU or some such.
So yes they have a chance but their road runs through @Auburn or @Oregon with harder games beforehand.
Why the hell are you people against important home playoff games?
You don't think Arksansas fans would love the opportunity to crack the At-Large or deserve the chance if their only 2 losses are to #1 Bama and later to #2 Auburn? Compared to Boise St or TCU's schedule?
16 teams ensures both successful programs get the chance, but it doesn't lessen Auburn's successful undefeated run as they get the easiest playoff road and home field until the end.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:11 pm to JB Bama
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Why the hell are you people against important home playoff games?
I like limiting the playoffs to the top teams. There are not 16 teams worthy of being NC. I hate it when teams like the Giants or Villanova win the title, though those are more the exception.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
Troy isn't going to win a playoff, but if they did and won @ Auburn, @Nebraska, @Boise St, and then beat Oregon on a neutral field could you complain about it?
Name a team that has a more deserving resume than that? with 12 games?
You are including about 4-6 automatic qualifiers that are unworthy, probably won't win the first game and therefore provide a benefit to the top seeds.
Name a team that has a more deserving resume than that? with 12 games?
You are including about 4-6 automatic qualifiers that are unworthy, probably won't win the first game and therefore provide a benefit to the top seeds.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:13 pm to JB Bama
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Why the hell are you people against important home playoff games?
Anyone who isn't a fan of an SEC or Big10 team would hate home playoff games because 2 Big10 and 2 SEC teams would be getting at least 1 extra home game a year, if not 2-3
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:15 pm to The Easter Bunny
Every conference has the potential to host playoff games, look at MWC and the WAC this year.
Not to mention based on the book each team in a playof gets a 12.5 million cut.
The conferences would make much more revenue off a playoff.
When I get home I'll post an exceprt from the book but the amount of money is insane.
Not to mention based on the book each team in a playof gets a 12.5 million cut.
The conferences would make much more revenue off a playoff.
When I get home I'll post an exceprt from the book but the amount of money is insane.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:15 pm to JB Bama
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Troy isn't going to win a playoff, but if they did and won @ Auburn, @Nebraska, @Boise St, and then beat Oregon on a neutral field could you complain about it?
its not the Troy's I worry about. Villanova is a Big East team. It would be someone like Iowa or OU "getting hot" that I wouldn't want to win or someone like LSU in 2001 for example.
Taking the top 4 is plenty.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:52 pm to tigerdup07
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you're thinking about the present. sixty years ago army was the king of the field. sixty years from now, who knows, it might be Temple. you have to give every conference an equal opportunity.
no. you don't
if they're good enough individually, they'll get a shot regardless of conference if there are 8 teams
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:52 pm to JB Bama
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They go very in depth about why a 16 team playoff is best,
it's not
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:55 pm to JB Bama
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but their road runs through @Auburn or @Oregon
WHOA now
home games? in the playoffs?
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Why the hell are you people against important home playoff games?
because i doubt home playoff games end up happening in CFB. it would separate haves and have nots a great deal
with a 16-team playoff that's potentially 3 extra home games (16, 8, 4 rounds). that's like $10-15M extra for an LSU (not even taking into account raising ticket prices for a playoff games). $10-15M almost every year? that's a huge divide
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You don't think Arksansas fans would love the opportunity to crack the At-Large or deserve the chance if their only 2 losses are to #1 Bama and later to #2 Auburn?
i don't give a frick, to be honest. arkansas lost 2 games already
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16 teams ensures both successful programs get the chance, but it doesn't lessen Auburn's successful undefeated run
wouldn't a 4-team playoff also not lessen AU's season while ensuring successful programs get in?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:56 pm to JB Bama
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Troy isn't going to win a playoff, but if they did and won @ Auburn, @Nebraska, @Boise St, and then beat Oregon on a neutral field could you complain about it?
if they had 4 losses and a sun belt schedule? yes
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You are including about 4-6 automatic qualifiers that are unworthy
if you admit they're unworthy, you admit teh system is fricked
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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because i doubt home playoff games end up happening in CFB. it would separate haves and have nots a great deal
with a 16-team playoff that's potentially 3 extra home games (16, 8, 4 rounds).
there is not really a way they could do all those neutral sites. It wouldn't be like bowls. The cost would be way too much. First 2 rounds would have to be on campus and it would be pretty easy to split the revenue more than the avg home game.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:23 pm to Boh
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Imagine the Oregon/Nebraska winner playing against the LSU/Boise winner. It would add excitement to the bowls
LSU wouldn't make an 8 team playoff. For any playoff beyond 4 teams to work, the BCS conferences will require their champions get automatic bids. So, you have 6 BCS champs, and the top 2 highest rated BCS teams (TCU & Boise St.). LSU is out and 2 of Pitt/Syracuse/VT/FSU are in. That is why I like 4 teams, because you don't have to include all the conference champs..
Also, if Temple, TCU, UTah, Boise or anyone else wants to bitch about not getting a fair shot, go out and play the equivalent of FSU's 1981 schedule a couple times:
vs Louisville
17 - 0 W Sep 5, 1981
vs Memphis
10 - 5 W Sep 12, 1981
at Nebraska
14 - 34 L Sep 19, 1981
at Ohio State
36 - 27 W Oct 3, 1981
at Notre Dame
19 - 13 W Oct 10, 1981
at Pittsburgh
14 - 42 L Oct 17, 1981
at LSU
38 - 14 W Oct 24, 1981
vs Western Carolina
56 - 31 W Oct 31, 1981
vs Miami
19 - 27 L Nov 7, 1981
vs Southern Mississippi
14 - 58 L Nov 14, 1981
at Florida
3 - 35 L Nov 28, 1981
Remember, Pitt was a top team in the country in '81 too.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:32 pm to Tiger in NY
16 > 8.
8 Teams with 2 at-large doesn't even solve the problem from this year.
Everyone says take the 6 conference champions from BCS conferences (meaning you take a team from the Big East and the ACC). So now Va. Tech gets in and the team that beat them Boise St. has to squeeze an at large spot. Assuming you open it up to 8 teams they aren't going to deny an undefeated team from the playoff so now your 2 at-large spots went to Boise St. and TCU or you run the same problem of keeping an undefeated team out of the national title shot.
Lets say South Carolina wins the SEC. Now LSU and Auburn are out of the Playoffs but Pittsburg, TCU, Boise St, and Va Tech all have a chance.
With 16 teams you are giving the opportunity for a 1 or 2 loss SEC runner up or third place a shot in the playoffs. Lets not forget the tiebreakers if there are 3 1 loss teams in the west. Would you really want to still rely on the BCS rankings to decide which 11-1 SEC West team goes to the SECCG/playoffs?
With 16 teams all those scenarios are covered. You would provide the "butlers" of the mid-majors their shot at glory, but without choking out the top conferences best teams.
Look the guys did their homework they interviewed countless head coaches, ADs, ESPN marketing directors, mathematicians, etc. They spent 2 years coming up with this formula they have an answer to every argument.
16 teams with 11 conference champs and 5 at large with home playoff games is the best system.
Do your research SFP before you throw out how crazy home playoff games are.... Why in the world would that be a bad idea?
If a 4 loss sunbelt team can win @ #1, @#7, @#4, then a national championship against #2 then by all means I won't complain.
Name the last national champion to beat 4 top 10 teams in a row?
8 Teams with 2 at-large doesn't even solve the problem from this year.
Everyone says take the 6 conference champions from BCS conferences (meaning you take a team from the Big East and the ACC). So now Va. Tech gets in and the team that beat them Boise St. has to squeeze an at large spot. Assuming you open it up to 8 teams they aren't going to deny an undefeated team from the playoff so now your 2 at-large spots went to Boise St. and TCU or you run the same problem of keeping an undefeated team out of the national title shot.
Lets say South Carolina wins the SEC. Now LSU and Auburn are out of the Playoffs but Pittsburg, TCU, Boise St, and Va Tech all have a chance.
With 16 teams you are giving the opportunity for a 1 or 2 loss SEC runner up or third place a shot in the playoffs. Lets not forget the tiebreakers if there are 3 1 loss teams in the west. Would you really want to still rely on the BCS rankings to decide which 11-1 SEC West team goes to the SECCG/playoffs?
With 16 teams all those scenarios are covered. You would provide the "butlers" of the mid-majors their shot at glory, but without choking out the top conferences best teams.
Look the guys did their homework they interviewed countless head coaches, ADs, ESPN marketing directors, mathematicians, etc. They spent 2 years coming up with this formula they have an answer to every argument.
16 teams with 11 conference champs and 5 at large with home playoff games is the best system.
Do your research SFP before you throw out how crazy home playoff games are.... Why in the world would that be a bad idea?
If a 4 loss sunbelt team can win @ #1, @#7, @#4, then a national championship against #2 then by all means I won't complain.
Name the last national champion to beat 4 top 10 teams in a row?
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:40 pm to JB Bama
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Lets say South Carolina wins the SEC. Now LSU and Auburn are out of the Playoffs
the is exhibt A why playoffs with too many teams suck. 5-3 USCe has no business playing for the SEC title, let alone the NC. Auburn will finish no worse than 7-1. They beat the next best team, LSU also at best 7-1. There is no need for a SECCG (except to make extra money). Auburn has proven they are the best team over the entire season. Anyone that can't figure that out is not paying attention.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:41 pm to JB Bama
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16 > 8.
in terms of numerical value only
in terms of CFB playoffs, 8 >>>>>>>>>> 16
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8 Teams with 2 at-large doesn't even solve the problem from this year.
what "problem"
?
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Everyone says take the 6 conference champions from BCS conferences
why does there need to be any automatic qualification?
AQ fricks it up, be it 8 teams or 16 teams or 24 teams
the only way AQ won't frick it up is if you can guarantee the worst AQ team is ranked well enough to make the cut anyway
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You would provide the "butlers" of the mid-majors their shot
frick them
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they have an answer to every argument.
they don't, actually
they cannot resolve the problem of title determination (pitting the best against the best) with automatic qualification
and they cannot argue that all the teams involved have a legit argument for being the best team in the nation
2 pretty major holes
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Do your research SFP before you throw out how crazy home playoff games are.
i have
i'm writing a 10,000+ word series of articles on playoffs and the BCS currently
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Why in the world would that be a bad idea?
it would be a great idea for an Ohio State, who gets 2-3 extra home games a year (and the home gate that comes along with it). it would be bad for any team who can't guarantee that extra revenue, both within the big10 and in CFB in general
it would create 10% more operating budget for the haves, compared to the have nots
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:41 pm to JB Bama
4 team playoff.
What 4 teams do you take this year in a 4 team playoff?
Oregon, Auburn, Boise St, TCU?
What if Oregon and Auburn pick up a loss who do you take then?
What if Nebraska and Ohio State had gone undefeated as well would you leave out TCU and Boise?
There has been more than 4 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season before.
This system rewards the same thing the current BCS does. Play cupcakes keep a perfect record. Why risk a drop in the ranking by playing a conference championship?
Why risk a worse record for scheduling a perennial top program out of conference?
There is a much larger downside to a 4 team playoff than a 16. Not to mention the best thing about a 16 team playoff is home playoff games.
Who cares about keeping the bowls? Do you realize the director of the Sugar Bowl makes over 500k and his only responsibility is running the Sugar Bowl.
Did you know in 2008 Florida won the national championship and their Atheltic Department netted +40k just for football?
What 4 teams do you take this year in a 4 team playoff?
Oregon, Auburn, Boise St, TCU?
What if Oregon and Auburn pick up a loss who do you take then?
What if Nebraska and Ohio State had gone undefeated as well would you leave out TCU and Boise?
There has been more than 4 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season before.
This system rewards the same thing the current BCS does. Play cupcakes keep a perfect record. Why risk a drop in the ranking by playing a conference championship?
Why risk a worse record for scheduling a perennial top program out of conference?
There is a much larger downside to a 4 team playoff than a 16. Not to mention the best thing about a 16 team playoff is home playoff games.
Who cares about keeping the bowls? Do you realize the director of the Sugar Bowl makes over 500k and his only responsibility is running the Sugar Bowl.
Did you know in 2008 Florida won the national championship and their Atheltic Department netted +40k just for football?
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 1:44 pm
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