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re: 12 years ago today, Pat Tillman gave his life for this country
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:42 pm to bwallcubfan
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:42 pm to bwallcubfan
Great American - disgusting what the Bush administration did to him and his legacy.
Great clip of his brother speaking out about what happened at the funeral with the awful John McCain, etc...
LINK
Great clip of his brother speaking out about what happened at the funeral with the awful John McCain, etc...
LINK
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:You worded it so much better than I did.
How's about you go frick yourself?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:45 pm to SirWinston
I don't remember this? What did bush do?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:49 pm to Mr Gardoki
quote:I'm sure someone knows better, but I believe they tried to cover up how he died, instead of how it actually happened.
I don't remember this? What did bush do?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:51 pm to bwallcubfan
strongest jawline of all time. looks like someone chiseled that mfr from stone
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:55 pm to shel311
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I'm sure someone knows better, but I believe they tried to cover up how he died, instead of how it actually happened.
Has happened in many wars before and will happen many wars after. I do not think the DOD did anything out of the ordinary.
You need 3 things to win a war
Air Power
Man Power
Propoganda
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:58 pm to Mr Gardoki
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I don't remember this? What did bush do?
The government tried to cover up the circumstances surrounding his death, tried to deny his family compensation and generally tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug.
Additionally, because of Tillman's outspoken atheism and liberal beliefs, he was downplayed and even shamed by many conservatives. The family got calls and letters saying it was a shame he was burning in hell and that it served him right for speaking out against republican politicians.
fricked up display all around
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:58 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Dude was a hero, and a much better man than I will ever be, but the narrative that he died for his country is utter bullshite.
I mean seriously, WTF?
He was in a warzone serving for the US military and lost his life. He was obviously more than willing to give up his life for this country considering the fact that he was there in the first place.
The fact that he was shot by an M16 instead of an AK47 has no bearing on whether or not he gave his life for this country.
When soldiers are killed in training exercises or other accidents they gave their life for this country too. Anyone who feels the need to distinguish based on how someone died or take anything away from Tillman's death is pathetic.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:02 pm to SirWinston
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disgusting what the Bush administration did to him and his legacy.
They didn't hurt his legacy in the slightest - if anything you can say they tried to increase it. It was just despicable that they tried to lie about the facts of his death in order to avoid criticism for the death of the most popular soldier in America.
Tillman was killed by friendly fire, possibly even murdered. He was a hero who gave up his life to protect his country, and he died fighting for that country, but it doesn't quite have the same panache with recruiting efforts if he was shot by a fellow soldier.
Come join the Rangers and kill the people who killed Pat Tillman is a lot more effective when those people are the Taliban instead of a fellow Ranger, but that doesn't diminish his status as a hero who died for this country in the slightest.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:03 pm to slackster
Pat Tillman himself said that the war was bullshite and illegal and not worth fighting for, and that he would have never signed up knowing then what he knew now. The fact that the department of defense all the way up to the president of United States twisted the circumstances of his death knowingly and used his "heroic death" as a recruiting tool to trick other young Americans into volunteering for the bullshite war made it beyond reprehensible.
They also tried to turn his nationally televised funeral into some revivalist Christian ceremony and lied to the Tillman family (most all atheists) and used it for more recruiting and propaganda.
They also tried to turn his nationally televised funeral into some revivalist Christian ceremony and lied to the Tillman family (most all atheists) and used it for more recruiting and propaganda.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Additionally, because of Tillman's outspoken atheism and liberal beliefs,
This never really made much sense to me. To be an atheist and liberal, yet give up your career in the NFL to join the Army is unbelievable. I guess it is difficult for me to comprehend how someone with no faith in a god still finds himself so overwhelmed with patriotism to give up his career to fight for his country. You would think that much conviction in something as intangible as patriotism would have manifested itself in some sort of religion as well.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:07 pm to SirWinston
His funeral was a disgusting display by the religious right.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:08 pm to slackster
All these quotes that people attribute to Tillman are not direct quotes but from a whistle blower supposed diary/journal correct? ESPN/Disney interviewed him and that is how they were "shared"?
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:10 pm to slackster
quote:
This never really made much sense to me. To be an atheist and liberal, yet give up your career in the NFL to join the Army is unbelievable. I guess it is difficult for me to comprehend how someone with no faith in a god still finds himself so overwhelmed with patriotism to give up his career to fight for his country. You would think that much conviction in something as intangible as patriotism would have manifested itself in some sort of religion as well.
Many of our greatest heroes and patriots have been non-religious or liberals. Lacking a belief in God doesn't preclude one from being selfless or patriotic.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:10 pm to SirWinston
Yeah they tried to make it a better story for their sake, but apparently people view that as a knock on Tillman in some way. Just because the US government was the perpetrator doesn't mean that Tillman didn't die for his country. His intentions are all that matter. He signed up willing to die for his country.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:10 pm to slackster
Atheists love America as much as anybody else.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's probably because you've constructed small, simple boxes to categorize people in to make the world easier to understand.
Or I recognized that stereotypes exist for a reason and the subset of people in the Army who are also atheists and liberals who left their careers to fight is minute.
I don't care if someone is religious or not, I'm simply pointing out the how much of an outlier he was.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:15 pm to slackster
There are hundreds of thousands of liberals in the military.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Lacking a belief in God doesn't preclude one from being selfless or patriotic.
Of course, and I'm not arguing that an atheist is incapable of being a good person. My point is that he was overcome with patriotism more than most considering what he gave up, and I find it a bit peculiar that those convictions didn't manifest themselves in even a disorganized religion of some sort.
I'm not questioning his beliefs in the slightest - he was an atheist and he gave up his career to join the Army - there is no denying that.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
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There are hundreds of thousands of liberals in the military.
Sure, I'm just lumping in liberals because that is how he was described in the post to which I replied.
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