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re: 100th ranked LPGA golfer vs Scratch male golfer
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:11 am to GeauxTigersLee
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:11 am to GeauxTigersLee
Some 100th ranked LPGA Stats:
On courses averaging 6200-6400 yards 73.75
246 yard driving average
Rounds under par 20% of the time.
61.5% GIR
I don't think that either has a clear cut advantage. I think the average course they would play would be a 70.5-72 par for a scratch golfer. Which would make them a Scratch golfer on a male course. Averaging 20% of the time at or below par.
The difference would be that as distance lengthens club distance is much more valuable. Ask Luke Donald in a Major. To get your comparision on even par who is your money on if a course was set up at 7,900 yards or about 500 yards longer than a long course?
I will Take Phil, Bubba, and Rory, over Luke, Steve, and McDowell every day. Luke Donald is a perfect example of why the scratch golfer would have a chance. Think about his performances on long golf courses and get back to me.
On courses averaging 6200-6400 yards 73.75
246 yard driving average
Rounds under par 20% of the time.
61.5% GIR
I don't think that either has a clear cut advantage. I think the average course they would play would be a 70.5-72 par for a scratch golfer. Which would make them a Scratch golfer on a male course. Averaging 20% of the time at or below par.
The difference would be that as distance lengthens club distance is much more valuable. Ask Luke Donald in a Major. To get your comparision on even par who is your money on if a course was set up at 7,900 yards or about 500 yards longer than a long course?
I will Take Phil, Bubba, and Rory, over Luke, Steve, and McDowell every day. Luke Donald is a perfect example of why the scratch golfer would have a chance. Think about his performances on long golf courses and get back to me.
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Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:12 am to Golfer
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Not really...if that were the case, then any of the PGA tour players who average around 270 would be losing every week to bubba Watson
And they do lose to the longer players on longer courses. The shorter the course the more the advantage is negated.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:13 am to LSUtigersarefun
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And they do lose to the longer players on longer courses
That would explain why Zach Johnson won the masters, right?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:23 am to Golfer
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hat would explain why Zach Johnson won the masters, right?
One example doesn't make a trend. However I am trying to find a study that shows the location of the first shot is the most critical to scoring on a hole. I am having trouble locating it, but it basically says that old saying "You drive for show and putt for dough is wrong."
By the way he didn't win it as much as everyone else lost it. He did win with a +1.
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:34 am to LSUtigersarefun
A true scratch golfer would birdie and/or have putts at an eagle on every par 5 from the women tees. That being said he is looking at 3-5 under from those holes alone.
Any par 4 under 400yds he's looking at a wedge in so he could get a couple birdies there too. I think the scratch has a shot.
What will seperate this match is putting. And unfortunately the LPGA playter will win that battle.
Any par 4 under 400yds he's looking at a wedge in so he could get a couple birdies there too. I think the scratch has a shot.
What will seperate this match is putting. And unfortunately the LPGA playter will win that battle.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:38 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
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A true scratch golfer would birdie and/or have putts at an eagle on every par 5 from the women tees.
LPGA golfers dont play from the womens tees like they have at your local golf course.
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That being said he is looking at 3-5 under from those holes alone.
Any par 4 under 400yds he's looking at a wedge in so he could get a couple birdies there too.
So the average will be 5 to 7 under?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:40 am to bomber77
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LPGA golfers dont play from the womens tees like they have at your local golf course.
There tees are short as shite. May not be called women tees, but they sure in hell aren't playing 7500. More like 6200, which for any man that plays the tips that is considered women tees.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:42 am to bomber77
quote:maybe I'm better than scratch and my impression of a scratch golfer is mistaken
So the average will be 5 to 7 under?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:51 am to Ford Frenzy
A true scratch golfer would make a shite load of birdies on a course 6500yds are shorter.
Not saying he will finish 5-7 under, but he should make at least 5 birdies. He's gonna rape the par 5's and should birdie a couple of the short par 4's. But hey he may also take a fricking "6" on a par 3, or hook one OB, u dont know. That's why he's not playing competitive golf on CBS every week
Not saying he will finish 5-7 under, but he should make at least 5 birdies. He's gonna rape the par 5's and should birdie a couple of the short par 4's. But hey he may also take a fricking "6" on a par 3, or hook one OB, u dont know. That's why he's not playing competitive golf on CBS every week
Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:30 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
quote:that aint the only reason
That's why he's not playing competitive golf on CBS every week
I've got friends on Hooters and Adams Tours, those guys are so good it's stupid
they would beat a scratch golfer by 8 shots a round, mini-tour guys are so underrated, but that's another thread
Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:35 am to Ford Frenzy
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mini-tour guys are so underrated
+1
you got to have the mental game as cliche as that sounds
Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:54 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
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There tees are short as shite. May not be called women tees, but they sure in hell aren't playing 7500. More like 6200, which for any man that plays the tips that is considered women tees.
I was looking at the course set up for a previous course, and to me it set up a lot like a mens course from the normal tees.
LPGA Championship:
Course overview Par 72 6504 yards
4 par 3's 161,178,172, 150
Longest 178
Shortest 150
10 par 4's
Longest: 439
Shortest: 337
over 400: 4
4 Par 5's: 478, 509, 466, 532
Shortest: 466
longest: 532
Over 500: 2
The Island from mens (Gold tees) 6486 72.4 135
4 Par 3's 161, 179, 146, 161
Shortest:146
Longest: 179
10 Par 4's
Shortest: 315
Longest: 426
Over 400 yards: 4 one extra at 399
4 Par 5's 522, 511, 512, 487
Shortest: 487
Longest:522
My observation is that LPGA courses set up easier on the Par 5's and par 3's than mens courses, and with a greater average distance on the par 4's without the number of very long par 4's, nor short ones.
Bottom line is that a scratch golfer would probably average within .5 strokes of the 100 lpga pro. However I believe with the addition of a good caddie, and amazing equipment. The two groups would be dead even. I think a Caddie is worth +2 strokes a round, and your average scratch player doesn't have one on a daily basis. I think it is close enough for Vegas to make a bet out of it.
By the way the percentage of golfers that keep an official handicap and are under scratch is 0.13% This is a one in at least 2500 player, because I imagine that less than 1/2 of all players even keep a handicap.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:05 am to LSUtigersarefun
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The Island from mens (Gold tees) 6486 72.4 135
A scratch golfer would never play these tees (unless he heard of a challenge against a LPGA golfer that was brewing from the MSB). Scratch golfers are playing the tips, down, and anywhere from 7000-7800. The shortness of the course is the only reason im giving him a shot.
Now if he had to play the tips and she got to play the course at 6500, he'd get his arse handed to him, no question about that!
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:07 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
quote:that's my argument, scratch player would be crushed if this were the case
Now if he had to play the tips and she got to play the course at 6500, he'd get his arse handed to him, no question about that!
but from the much shorter yardages, if the 'average' scratch player improves as much as I do when i get my wedge in my hand vs. 7irons, that distance change is HUGE
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:11 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
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A scratch golfer would never play these tees
Scratch golfers will play the tees that the group he is playing with is playing. He's not going to hit from the tips if the bunch he is playing with is playing from the Blues (one tee up)
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Scratch golfers are playing the tips, down, and anywhere from 7000-7800.
Once again, because someone is scratch doesnt mean he is playing every weekend with a bunch of scratches!
He's playing the tees that everyone else is playing and if they are playing winter rules or pick and clean he's doing the same.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:12 am to Ford Frenzy
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but from the much shorter yardages, if the 'average' scratch player improves as much as I do when i get my wedge in my hand vs. 7irons, that distance change is HUGE
Agree!
Now all we need is a LPGA player to visit TD so we can make this happen. lol
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:16 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
I will say this
if the course is Bayou Country Club
anything can happen!
if the course is Bayou Country Club
anything can happen!
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:18 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
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He's playing the tees that everyone else is playing and if they are playing winter rules or pick and clean he's doing the same
Winter rules? pick and clean?? u mean "lift clean and place"
Im a "4". I make my friends play the tips. They grind it out and shoot like shite, but it would have been the same from the Blues. Im not going pay to play the nicer courses in La to play the blues. I want to play the course the toughest it can be. Thats me. Not for everyone. If we play at the course where im a member i dont give a shite what tees we play.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:18 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
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if the course is Bayou Country Club
BEAST over there!!!!!
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:20 am to PlazaDeBurbanko
No one really understands how good these girls actually are, and they think the scratch players from their local clubs is one step away from the tour.
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 11:21 am
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