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Where does your FICO start?

Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:09 pm
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:09 pm
Have an co-worker coming from Canada and just got a new SSN had excellent credit in Canada but now starts over here since they wont look at his old credit bureau data. So he has to build credit all over again. The question is would banks see him as a risk alongside someone with bad credit or would you be able to attain credit. Most places he will deal with just look at FICO scores like phone company apt complexes etc.. Where exactly does your FICO score start with no credit history?
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51290 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:28 pm to
I don't know, but no credit is worse than bad credit.


FWI LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/08 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37571 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

Where exactly does your FICO score start with no credit history?


I believe technally with zero credit history your score is zero.

However, does he have any credit cards that he can transfer over so to speak?
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51290 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

However, does he have any credit cards that he can transfer over so to speak?



you can't, credit varies from country to country.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37571 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

you can't, credit varies from country to country.


That's what I was afraid of.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:39 pm to
yep thats the case.. He had an american based credit card but it was under his canadian citizenship.. With moving to the US comes a new SSN. Didnt know if he would start off with a moderate score and its up to him to improve or screw up or they start you below someone that had screwed up beyond belief.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:54 pm to
Nope you start off as a clean slate in the middle of the spectrum. Like the guy earlier said, someone coming into a bank with no credit is better than someone walking in with bills upon bills...at least I hope!
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37571 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Like the guy earlier said, someone coming into a bank with no credit is better than someone walking in with bills upon bills...


He said the opposite.

Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 3:46 pm to
ok found out what will occur. He will in fact show a zero for his FICO for at least 6 months then he will have a moderate score. Until then he will show 0 for no credit history which is handled differently than a 350.

My only concern right now is convincing him to let me run up his canadian issued visa card since it wont affect him..
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10723 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 6:57 pm to
one way to build a score, have him added as an authorized user on a couple of your credit cards that are old and have low balances. If you pay perfect he can pick up your payment history and raise his scores.

I did a loan for a guy once that had recently gotten out of prison and was a user on his wife card, the only credit he had, he had a 700 score and was able to get approved for the loan.

No credit is MUCH better than bad credit.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/30/08 at 8:37 pm to
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have him added as an authorized user


That loophole is going away soon. Fair Isaac cottoned onto the practice of selling the right to be listed as an authorized user without actually divulging the credit card number, and is getting set to remove that from consideration.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 9:15 am to
Uhh yea I dont know the guy well enought to give him access to my credit, screw that.. He just started working for us.
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
23632 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 9:26 am to
i make the decisions on these types of situations, if you were to apply for a loan at my instituition, and it came to me, this is what would happen


-counter-offfer; comaker/cosigner required due to limited credit history

if you have bad credit, this happens

-decline; derog credit


one way to help build credit is to do shared secured loans, meaning, take out a loan against money you already have, your money in savings for ex is held until loan is paid, we dont pull credit but it shows up on credit report

the best way however is just to get a cosigner though
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39859 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 9:30 am to
quote:

no credit is worse than bad credit.


No credit means no credit.

Bad credit means you don't pay your bills back on time.

Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39859 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 9:31 am to
quote:

one way to build a score, have him added as an authorized user on a couple of your credit cards that are old and have low balances.


Used to work, but not much longer.

Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 9:49 am to
So how does a kid new in college get a credit card so easily? I never had a cosigner and got a free tshirt to boot.. lol

quote:

take out a loan against money you already have, your money in savings for ex is held until loan is paid,


So you take out a loan on your own money? Who gets the interest? I couldnt imagine anyone stupid enough to pay a bank for holding their money while the bank collects interest on it. Its like a CD in reverse..
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39859 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 10:19 am to
quote:

So how does a kid new in college get a credit card so easily? I never had a cosigner and got a free tshirt to boot.. lol


Have you ever paid interest on a credit card?

If so, the shirt was not free.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 11:19 am to
I know that was the reason for the lol..
Posted by gingles
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
213 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

I don't know, but no credit is worse than bad credit.


No credit is great. Don't borrow money and you don't need a "monkey-lending/I'm in debt" FICO score. There are plenty of wealthy people who have no FICO because they don't want/don't need to borrow money. And if you do need a home mortgage, deal with someone who does manual underwriting.
This post was edited on 7/31/08 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/31/08 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

No credit is great. Don't borrow money and you don't need a "monkey-lending/I'm in debt" FICO score. There are plenty of wealthy people who have no FICO because they don't want/don't need to borrow money.


Uhhh so how do you get a cell phone or car insurance? both use your FICO now.
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