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re: What are this boards thoughts on MSTY/ULTY?

Posted on 8/2/25 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15810 posts
Posted on 8/2/25 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

It pains me to see my MSTY account down by over $8,000. $24.13 average.

I own like 10 shares of MSTY in Roth IRA just to boost my Monthly dividend payment but what did people expect when they bought this? I'm prepared to lose the few hundred dollars i invested probably sooner than later but people wanting this ETF to rocket while paying sky high Monthly divs is not how it works.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11865 posts
Posted on 8/3/25 at 10:49 am to
I'm aware of how they work. Overall MSTY return, has me just barely positive. I rode out orange boy's liberation day already. This will be fine. Plus I got to take my ULTY from 10,000 shares to 21,000. I also lowered my cost basis from $6.17 to $6.10.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45417 posts
Posted on 8/6/25 at 9:07 pm to
SMCI missed earnings.

I got another 253 SMCY after hours last night, at $17.75.

I am going to free up more cash in the morning and get more CONY if COIN has a big dip, like today.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
89170 posts
Posted on 8/6/25 at 10:09 pm to
might but ULTY again tomm on ex div day. see if it drops anymore. one position was stopped out. I still have another in another brokerage that stayed open with deeper stops.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 9:22 pm to
ok bought more today
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66795 posts
Posted on 8/7/25 at 11:29 pm to
Where do you usually set your stops?
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 11:40 pm to
on one account i put them at the last good support levels reading the chart.

on another account i was not putting it as far down so i kept it close and got stopped out.

looks like we will have trouble ever breaking 6.50 a share.

6.45 was the last current high
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 11:43 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66795 posts
Posted on 8/7/25 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

looks like we will have trouble ever breaking 6.50 a share.

6.45 was the last current high


My cost basis on ULTY is 6.16 and MSTY is 20.70 so I feel good about those.

I'm at 21.50 in MARO and don't feel so hot about that one.
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 11:54 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:15 am to
i have XDTE also which i really like so far.

i have YYY but it has a high expense ratio
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66795 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:27 am to
Have you looked into the new MSTR weekly payer from Roundhill? MSTW
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:27 am to
quote:

Have you looked into the new MSTR weekly payer from Roundhill? MSTW


no not yet
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45417 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

ok bought more today


Congrats. I am staying ready to bail or buy more. If you believe that BTC, COIN, MSTR, SMCR, etc., is going to be around and somewhat volatile, it's game on.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:48 pm to
quote:

I am staying ready to bail or buy more.


sounds like my mentality. just be ready at the drop of a hat.

i need BITO to drop back to 17ish levels before i drop a ton back in it.

Guess i could buy more where it is but i am not willing to hold if it drops thus i would need close stops. so instead i am just sitting on the sidelines just holding the shares i have so far to try and get another good cost basis before my next buy.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:00 am to
see how this baby (ULTY) does today. Might buy more thursday on ex div day.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:54 am to
.1006.

Not bad at all
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91338 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:09 am to
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My cost basis on ULTY is 6.16 and MSTY is 20.70 so I feel good about those.


Cost basis is going down continuously as most of these distributions are a return of capital. People buying these need to be educated on the near constant decline of the NAV over time given the way the funds are structured.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:25 am to
quote:

Cost basis is going down continuously as most of these distributions are a return of capital. People buying these need to be educated on the near constant decline of the NAV over time given the way the funds are structured.



we know

it is why we are ready to bail at the drop of a hat

riddle me this batman

since you are a financial advisor i know you feel all this stuff yielding 30% and over that we are in ( XDTE, BITO, UTLY ,etc) is risky beyond belief.

i will not argue that

however what dividend payers would you feel are safest generating a 10% ballpark yield? QYLD? RYLD? my YYY seems stable but the expense ratio is nuts @ 3.5%.

what is your opinion? or do i need to mail a check to you to get that? or paypal?
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 11:33 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91338 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:41 am to
I personally like JEPQ if you must have an income oriented product.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 11:41 am
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
35605 posts
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:48 am to
quote:

People buying these need to be educated on the near constant decline of the NAV over time given the way the funds are structured.


From what I’ve read. ULTY now owns the underlying assets which might help with NAV decay a little as compared to the synthetic strategies other YeildMax funds employ. It also makes it more vulnerable though if a stock tanks. Will be interesting to see how it does.

I have a small amount of YBIT. It has dropped a little, but considering the strategy and increase in bitcoin, it’s worth the gamble for my scenario. Again, I only have a very small amount.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I personally like JEPQ if you must have an income oriented product.


thanks for your response slackster
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