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re: Signs we may be nearing a bottom

Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:23 pm to
No it's not a hypothetical if you sold haha. That money is yours to buy cheaper assets. Of course you want to buy and hold Long term, but to call people lucky or idiots if they played the market swing right in a high inflation higher interest rate environment is dumb. They read the environment and made the call.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:24 pm to
When in doubt, go with answer “C”.
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
9149 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:35 pm to
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The Fed raised rates in 2015-2018, and if you avoided stock through that time period, you missed out.
you seriously trying to compare then and now Mutley?
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
9102 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:37 pm to
Hardly. But I wouldn’t expect people to read the thread.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96500 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:25 pm to
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No it's not a hypothetical if you sold haha. That money is yours to buy cheaper assets.


So, this is "timing the market". I wish you the best of luck with that.
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
4182 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:39 pm to
How is it timing the market when you have record inflation and they are telling you they raising interest rates? That's almost economics 101 for what is coming for the market. Especially after we just printed a shite ton of money to prop it up.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91975 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

No it's not a hypothetical if you sold haha. That money is yours to buy cheaper assets. Of course you want to buy and hold Long term, but to call people lucky or idiots if they played the market swing right in a high inflation higher interest rate environment is dumb. They read the environment and made the call.


You’re assuming you time it right when you get back in, which is often the fatal flaw in these discussions.

Like I said previously, no one of note around here was talking about the selling they did when they allegedly did it, it was always after the fact. It works the same way on the way up too.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96500 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:16 pm to
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How is it timing the market when you have record inflation and they are telling you they raising interest rates?


Are you keeping your new stack of money in cash? Or in bonds?

In an inflationary environment, if you are out of equities (not trying to "time it", wink wink, just being "smart"), then your money is:

1. Chasing bond or other low interest yields, or

2. Sitting in a cash account, deflating

Unless you have some other magical third option, you're going to have to beat inflation (8%), just to stay even. I'm not saying you have to be in equities to do that (although that will do it, year over year, going back to 1957), but you tell me. You seem to have the answers.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:16 pm to
BTC at $68,000 - Last chance to buy BTC at this price before it hits $500,000 in the next year!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91975 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:19 pm to
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didn’t play the market then. I just bought and held. You know the Fed is going to raise rates. You know it’s going to cause a recession. There is nothing positive going on in the economy right now. Even a fool like me could see the writing on the wall. I took out 60% in March to hold on the sidelines. I kept 40% in energy because of all the sanctions that was being thrown around at Russia. I will absolutely get back in when I think we hit bottom. I’m sure I won’t be spot on but I will be close enough to not lose +(10%) of my value. It could be months.


Look at this guy. Perfect example.

Just rode the indexes from 2016-2021, but he magically became 40% in energy stocks this year, and went to 60% cash in March.

I call bullshite. Even a 60/40 SPY/XLE portfolio from 1/1/16 to 4/30/22 would have underperformed a 100% SPY portfolio by 10% cumulatively, and that’s including selling 60% SPY in March.

I’ve got about 5% of my clients who are up on the year, and every single one of them was down in 2020 when the market made 18%.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96500 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:22 pm to
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I’ve got about 5% of my clients who are up on the year, and every single one of them was down in 2020 when the market made 18%.



Yeah, I had a bit in a small cap index and I think I was about 22% for 2020 - that was a GREAT year.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
4182 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:36 pm to
Of course, if you didn't think of doing it no one else could right? You must be advising warren Buffett at this point huh?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91975 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:03 pm to
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Of course, if you didn't think of doing it no one else could right?


Not what I said at all.

My point is that people make this stuff up all the time. I fully believe people have gone to cash over the last 9 months or so. What I don’t believe is that these people also captured all the gains over the last decade. It’s not in the DNA of people that swing so wildly in their allocations.
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:16 pm to
Sure. Ok.

I’ll just have to live with the fact that you are making an assumption.

As of today I am 7.2% up for the year. I wish my professionally managed account was doing so well. I’ll just have to live with that I suppose.

It’s common sense my friend. That’s all I’m doing and it’s working.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2825 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:20 pm to
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My point is that people make this stuff up all the time. I fully believe people have gone to cash over the last 9 months or so. What I don’t believe is that these people also captured all the gains over the last decade. It’s not in the DNA of people that swing so wildly in their allocations.


I think your premise is wrong.

It’s too black and white of a statement.

Many people have made big moves in this market, as this is one of the best opportunities we’ve seen in years.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
41067 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:52 pm to
I "timed" 2020 by happenstance so I had 40% plus return on the year. I was under contract on a house in March 2020 and I had to protect reserves. This all while thinking how dumb we are buying a house while the world collapses.

Ended up being a windfall. Still do not recommend
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
The Sticks
Member since Jun 2015
9959 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:07 pm to
So, according to this thread I should hold my investments long term, and also sell them because we are not near the bottom.

Got it.
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
4182 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:08 pm to
Welcome to the game haha. If you didn't already sell and have some funds on the side, start picking up some stocks you like slowly.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91975 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:05 pm to
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As of today I am 7.2% up for the year.


Very well done.

quote:

I wish my professionally managed account was doing so well


Why didn’t you have them make the common sense moves you made in your account? Serious question.

quote:

It’s common sense my friend. That’s all I’m doing and it’s working.


Your first thread on here was on 4/8 asking…
quote:

I’m not very familiar with exactly what is the balance sheet and why I should care. $9 trillion is a very large number though. So exactly what happens when they reduce their balance sheet? What did they purchase and how are they going to get rid of it?


On one hand you say it’s common sense with QE ending and on the other you didn’t know what QE was in early April. Surely you understand why believing you sold all equities except energy in March is a little tough to believe, no?
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
The Sticks
Member since Jun 2015
9959 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:07 pm to
Bro I'm still holding OZSC. Diamond hands though everything.
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