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re: Sign on bonuses with no matching raise the next year

Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:47 pm to
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You are a freaking idiot

Not really. If I was I wouldn't have a job where math is the primary skill.
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You got a bonus before you started for going to the company. Over and done with it.

Sure.
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Reading this is like it’s like trying to make sense of something to a goddamn woman! 

I feel sorry for the women you have in your life.
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Quit being a little bitch getting you’re feelings hurt about how your company values you.

I'm sorry you don't care how much you get paid.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 9:51 pm
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:47 pm to
So what did you do to "earn" the sign-on bonus? You didn't work for it.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:50 pm to
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You can't answer it because it directly goes against your flawed premise

No i can't answer it because you don't want to take the time to actaully lay out a scenaeio you can analyze. None of your answers provide anywhere near enough context to actually analyze if they were getting paid more or less. That's just a fact.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 9:51 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41782 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:50 pm to
I would have ethics called on me if I had an employee present this type of argument.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3684 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:54 pm to
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Exactly they're incentivizing me more to join the company than they are rewarding me for my work.
Maybe they're trying to get you to quit. I haven't even read this entire thread and I'm ready to fire you.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:55 pm to
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So what did you do to "earn" the sign-on bonus

Be a candidate worthy of such a sign on bonus by earning the necessaey degree and accolades to be offered such. If that doesn't suffice for you again, since that sign on bonus I have saved the company well over what my entire compensation for the entire year. If that still isn't enough I'm sure you're well aware you have to stay with the company and not get fired in order for them to not take that sign on bonus back so it was earned in that sense as well.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:55 pm to
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No i can't answer it because you don't want to take the time to actaully lay out a scenaeio you can analyze. None of your answers provide anywhere near enough context to actually analyze if they were getting paid more or less. That's just a fact.


Fine. Although I have given more than enough for you to answer, I'll make it simple for you since you say you are good at math.

Employee is working in a different city all of 2018 and gets per diem for each month on the project. Project ends at the end of 2018.
2019 employee is expected to be at home office all year working on a new project.

2018: Employee's total compensation is $150k ($100k base +$50k total per diem)
2019: Employee's projected total compensation is $103k (2018's base +3% pay raise)

Should the employee be demanding a base salary of $150k for 2019 since that is what their total compensation was in 2018?
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:57 pm to
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 I haven't even read this entire thread and I'm ready to fire you.

Good for you bro. Do you want a cookie? You wanna take the risk of hiring someone that's a dipshit and quits after 4 months?
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41782 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41782 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:00 pm to
Basically sounds like what you are. Signing bonus’s are now a hedge to keep these I deserve a promotion as soon as I start or I’m gonna leave type employees. Basically you are giving the employee money up front so that you aren’t wasting resources training some schmuck who after 3 months thinks he’s ready to job bounce for more money. Most sign on bonus have to be paid back if you leave before a year
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:00 pm to
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2018: Employee's total compensation is $150k ($100k base +$50k total per diem) 
2019: Employee's projected total compensation is $103k (2018's base +3% pay raise) 

What were the increased costs of moving to an offsite office? Did they provide housing? Moving costs? Was the project succesful? How succesful was the project? I hope at this point you understand such a question would take damn near half a page to be able to make a full analyzation.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:01 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24713 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:00 pm to
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rowbear1922


Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:02 pm to
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Basically sounds like what you are

Clearly you lack basic reading comprehension skills.
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Signing bonus’s are now a hedge to keep these I deserve a promotion as soon as I start or I’m gonna leave type employees. 

Duh that's exactly my point.
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Most sign on bonus have to be paid back if you leave before a year

Once again furthering my point.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3684 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:03 pm to
Doesn't sound like much of a risk if they're a dipshit, so yeah. Grow the frick up, pansy.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
37363 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:04 pm to
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What were the increased costs of moving to an offsite office? Did they provide housing? Moving costs? Was the project succesful? How succesful was the project? I hope at this point you understand such a question would take damn near half a page to be able to make a full analyzation.




Yet you expect us to give you an answer on why you deserve a raise to match your sign on bonus because you got a good performance review?

Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:05 pm to
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Doesn't sound like much of a risk if they're a dipshit, so yeah. Grow the frick up, pansy.

Good job you just made a shitty hire and wasted a few thousands dollars. You proud of yourself?
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Grow the frick up, pansy.

The argument of a man with no actual point.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:08 pm
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:07 pm to
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Yet you expect us to give you an answer on why you deserve a raise to match your sign on bonus because you got a good performance review? 

Your reading comprehension skills are unbelievably low.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24713 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 pm to
You have effectively trolled the MTB
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
37363 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 pm to
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There is something intrinsically wrong about being paid less than what you made the previous year


So, was said employee wronged or not in his example?
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:09 pm to
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What were the increased costs of moving to an offsite office? Did they provide housing? Moving costs? Was the project succesful? How succesful was the project? I hope at this point you understand such a question would take damn near half a page to be able to make a full analyzation.


No, no it does not take a half page to make a full analyzation.

It shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You complain about total compensation, I lay out a VERY real world scenario of many on this board where their total compensation is drastically (a lot more tan $2k) different between 2 years.

I can keep answering all your questions if you'd like because I know the answers seeing that I do industrial construction and have quite a few engineers I work with that have been on the project for 4 years (3 in home office, 1 onsite). When the project ends and it's back to home office to engineer the next, they will lose near 50% of their total compensation from the year before. By your logic, they have "earned" the full compensation as salary from that point on.
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