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Selling my house. Why do I have to pay the buyer's agent?

Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:02 pm
Talking with real estate agents around the area my house is and they all want 6% (3 for the selling agent, 3 for the buying agent). I thought this was just customary, not required.
Posted by SilverStallion
Member since Aug 2017
1999 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:07 pm to
You want someone to sell your house for you and not make any money?

With that logic, your boss should just skip your next paycheck.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

You want someone to sell your house for you and not make any money?

With that logic, your boss should just skip your next paycheck.


Are you able to answer the question or not? Why do I have to pay the BUYER's agent? I understand paying my (seller's agent).
Posted by SilverStallion
Member since Aug 2017
1999 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:24 pm to
Because I think you’re dumb that you can’t figure this out on your own.

If you have a buyer with no agent, your agent will still get 6% minus what they pay to their broker. If you have a buyer with an agent, they split commission 3% & 3% minus their broker fee. Either way you want to justify it, you’re still going to pay 6% regardless of what agents are involved.

If you “don’t want to pay the buyers agent” then raise your sale price by 3%. Buyer will probably laugh at you though and your house will never get under contract.

You can also try and negotiate the commission percentage, then your agent will laugh at you.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3798 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:26 pm to
The agents generally split the commission. Everything is negotiable, you don’t have to. You don’t have to pay your agent 3%, it can be more or less.

The buyer’s agent will do the most work with the buyer. Showing your house, talking with them over options, getting it in front of them. If you’re not willing to pay them for that, it’s very unlikely they’ll be willing to show your house. If you refuse, the buyer will be responsible for their realtor fee, and this will impact their offers as well.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

f you have a buyer with no agent, your agent will still get 6% minus what they pay to their broker.


You 2017 join date posters are worthless. Quit replying and go back to the OT.
Posted by SilverStallion
Member since Aug 2017
1999 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:37 pm to
Wah wah wah. Quit being cheap.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

The agents generally split the commission. Everything is negotiable, you don’t have to. You don’t have to pay your agent 3%, it can be more or less.

The buyer’s agent will do the most work with the buyer. Showing your house, talking with them over options, getting it in front of them. If you’re not willing to pay them for that, it’s very unlikely they’ll be willing to show your house. If you refuse, the buyer will be responsible for their realtor fee, and this will impact their offers as well.


Yea, understandable but if the buyer's agent got them in the house they wanted then you would think it would be customary for the buyer to pay for that service. I feel like real estate is very convoluted and very "tight knit". Alas, I likely won't negotiate and stick with 3%.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Quit being cheap.


The selling agent fee is 3%, the buyer agent fee is 3%. If no buyer agent exist, I pay 3%, not 6. And as the above poster stated, everything is negotiable. You must have a pretty view in that glass house.
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1573 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 2:16 pm to
I understand your point, but this is just the customary way this business works. If you drop the commission, your house is less likely to be shown by buying agent. If you require buyer to pay, the buyer will likely just drop the price.

I would double check the language of the 3% 3% split. A lot of times if the selling agent is doing all of the work, they will take the entire 6%. This is definitely the case if they are the one that finds the buyer. The last house I sold, the selling agent offered to take 2.5% and the buying agent got the standard 3%.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4112 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

The selling agent fee is 3%, the buyer agent fee is 3%. If no buyer agent exist, I pay 3%, not 6. And as the above poster stated, everything is negotiable.


Not necessarily.

The sales commission percentage that you pay is worked out when you sign your listing agreement. Although it is true that nothing is set in stone. But typically, there is an agreed upon commission (6% or whatever), and then there is subagency split paid by the listing agency to the selling agency, if they're two different brokers. And from there, the agents are paid by each broker, depending on what split arrangements they have with their respective brokers (the buyer and seller probably won't know anything about that).

There are people who employ (actual) buyer's brokers and the buyer may pay that broker or agent. That agent works for and legally represents the buyer. So often, buyers will refer to someone as "their agent", when legally he is not. Have you signed an agreement with that agent? No. The seller is paying him and his only legal duty (depending on state laws) to the buyer is to treat him fairly. But if the seller has signed a listing agreement, where the agreed upon sales commission is listed as (let's say) 6%, then the listing agency still gets 6% - same as if the listing agent and the selling agent is the same person/agency. In fact, in cases where the broker is (by contract) representing the buyer, he may be prohibited from accepting the subagent's fee, if he is already being paid by the buyer. Especially when you move into larger investment deals or commercial, the things that people take for granted in smaller residential deals get a finer point on them.

But anyway, most everything is negotiable and no one has to do anything that they have not agreed to in a contract.
Posted by monteandmakers
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2014
180 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:25 pm to
It is customary but also negotiable. If you have a house in a desirable neighborhood that is an easy sell you may be able to get your agent to agree to a lower commission. If they know it will be less work and expense for them they will work with you. You could also get a young agent who is hungry for a sale and get them to agree to a lower commission.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

If you “don’t want to pay the buyers agent” then raise your sale price by 3%. Buyer will probably laugh at you though and your house will never get under contract.

You can also try and negotiate the commission percentage, then your agent will laugh at you.


Totally dependent on the market in a area, around here houses move in days with multiple offers above asking price, a agent trying to get 6% commission would be laughed at.
Posted by Dayman
Member since Sep 2015
713 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 5:36 pm to
The fact that agents get a percentage of the sales price, as opposed to a flat fee, is absolutely ridiculous. I'm a first time home buyer (currently searching), and it's amazing that this is customary. I'm all for agents making money, but making $7000-$9000 (based on houses in my area) per agent on houses that essentially sell themselves is insane.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 5:38 pm
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4501 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 6:24 pm to
The real estate industry is a dinosaur in desperate need of being dragged into the current world similar to taxis prior to Uber. The US needs something like purplebricks. Real estate agents are close to worthless for most residential transactions with the massive amount of information available to anyone with a smart phone. Real estate agents and their inflated commissions will be dead before too long
Posted by Dayman
Member since Sep 2015
713 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 6:36 pm to
The issue, for me at least, is the paperwork side of the transaction. I'm aware of available properties (via realtor.com and Zillow) before being notified by my realtor.

Essentially, I'm paying for having all the paperwork and title aspects of the sale.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

Essentially, I'm paying for having all the paperwork and title aspects of the sale.



When I have sold by owner other than the purchase contract, the title company and the buyers mortgage company did the paper work. Any competent lawyer can draw up a purchase agreement for a fraction of what a agents commission would be, that's if you don't trust using one from an online source.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24159 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:20 pm to
I love these threads.

It’s a pretty bimodal distribution of people that hate the dinosaur of an industry and others that say “it is the way it is”.

Everyone can agree that it is ripe for disruption. The profession will go the way of the taxi driver and I’m excited for it.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

Everyone can agree that it is ripe for disruption. The profession will go the way of the taxi driver and I’m excited for it.


Can't happen soon enough for me, the 6% commission is nothing but price fixing, and should have been stopped years ago.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3798 posts
Posted on 10/14/17 at 9:49 pm to
I think 6% is pretty universally recognized as the maximum, with most people negotiating smaller or variable commission.

What’s the alternative/proposal? Let’s assume the profession will remain as consultant for real estate buyers/sellers. Yes, it has gotten easier for both sides, but they still serve a purpose.

Almost every sales job works off of some form of % based commission, no? A tiered structure? I just don’t see flat fee ever becoming a reality since there’s a variable/negotiated price and it at least provides some incentive.
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