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Roth IRA income limit

Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:49 am
Posted by Simon Gruber
Member since Mar 2017
835 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:49 am
My wife’s salary fluctuates due to bonuses and we are starting to get close to the Roth IRA income limits, but won’t know until the end of the year if we are allowed to contribute or not. My question is does 2020 income determine 2020 or 2021 contribution limits?
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5711 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:51 am to
2020
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39588 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:53 am to
Just do the backdoor ROTH method which will avoid this whole issue.

It may be too late this year since you may have already been contributing past your direct contribution maximum but do that going forward.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 11:55 am
Posted by Simon Gruber
Member since Mar 2017
835 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:55 am to
So what happens if I’ve already contributed too much and we go over the income limit? I currently contribute weekly since we are usually below the income limit, but she got some significant bonuses this year.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39588 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:59 am to
Here ya go. This discusses backdoor as well.

quote:

if you over-contribute to a Roth IRA, you’ll have to withdraw the excess and any earnings on it. Otherwise, you’ll pay a 6% tax on ineligible contributions, plus you’ll pay a 10% early withdrawal penalty if you’re younger than 59.5.


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Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48991 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:59 am to
Someone else can confirm but I would expect there's a form to fill out with tax time to specify any overpayment
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10267 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:18 pm to
You can either do a backdoor or file an 8606 to reclassify it as a non deductible contribution.

The tricky part with backdoor is you have end up with the pro rata rules which take into account all non Roth monies. You can’t pick and choose which dollars. It’s a percentage or you can do all at once, which might not make sense. It’s a PITA
Posted by Simon Gruber
Member since Mar 2017
835 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:27 pm to
My account is with Vanguard. Can they take care of these things?
Posted by tigers win2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3838 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:34 pm to
You have until tax filing deadline the next year to make a contribution for the previous year.

You can wait to see what the actual numbers are and then make the contribution in Jan- Feb of 2021 for 2020 tax year.
Posted by tigers win2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3838 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

So what happens if I’ve already contributed too much and we go over the income limit? I


You just have a to remove the over contribution plus and growth on that portion. Happens all the time. Every iRA custodian can walk you through it. No penalties as long as you do it before tax filing.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11679 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

Just do the backdoor ROTH method which will avoid this whole issue.

Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11679 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

The tricky part with backdoor is you have end up with the pro rata rules which take into account all non Roth monies. You can’t pick and choose which dollars. It’s a percentage or you can do all at once, which might not make sense. It’s a PITA



It's literally one of the easiest retirement things to do.

Contribute $6,000 into your traditional IRA's money market.
It will take a day or two to season.
Click the convert to Roth IRA button.
Direct the $6,000 into the Roth IRA's fund of your choice.

That's it.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10267 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 4:30 am to
Ok. Clearly you’re ignorant on the topic.

There is a lot more nuance than that. Unless this is your first and only retirement vehicle.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11679 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 8:49 am to
quote:

There is a lot more nuance than that.


On Vanguard, that is literally all you do. The only extra step is Form 8606 (I think that's it anyway) at tax time.

Here is a step by step on Vanguard's website LINK

quote:

Unless this is your first and only retirement vehicle.


I guess. Besides my 401k, SOLO 401k, my wife's 403B, 457, her Roth IRA, and her TRSL I oversee. But I probably don't know what I'm doing.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 9:09 am
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40865 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:21 am to
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On Vanguard, that is literally all you do. The only extra step is Form 8606 (I think that's it anyway) at tax time.


Yeah not sure what he is talking about? I have done it through Fidelity no issues. really simple, only thing is you just have to wait for the funds to settle before doing the conversion.

Maybe it is harder when you are not using an online brokerage with all the tools right there?
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1010 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 2:46 pm to
It is more complicated if you have other IRA's and that includes rollovers.

Contribute $6,000 into money market in traditional IRA.
I already have $94,000 in a Rollover IRA from a previous job.
Convert $6,000 to Roth IRA (but only 6% is eligible for backdoor).
$360 is backdoor and I owe tax on $5,640.

To answer the OP's question when you are flirting with the limit...put as much as you can into Roth until phase out then backdoor the rest (assuming you don't have other IRA's as detailed above). Your CPA can run the calculation for you. You can do as suggested and do a backdoor even if under the Roth limits (or in phase out) just make sure you don't take the deduction for the traditional IRA part that is eligible.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36121 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 6:37 pm to
Exactly

However he could move the trad IRA money that he is not converting into roth into a 401k. Then the pro rata issue is a non issue because only the money being converted is in a traditional IRA and subject to consideration
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1010 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:39 am to
Definitely ways to get around the pro-rata rules, thanks for adding.

I was just trying to address the posters questioning how it can be more complicated.
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