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Receiving Common Stock in Company - Questions
Posted on 10/10/24 at 6:02 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 6:02 am
Contract came through yesterday granting common stocks in a company. I don't speak legalese and it is a lot of legal speak. I understand some parts and other parts not so much. What kind of lawyer would I seek to help understand the language? Business lawyer?
Seems like I need to file an 83(B) election but I also need to understand if I need to do anything else.
Anything outside of consulting an attorney I should be aware of with receiving common stock? This is my first experience with receiving a stock gift.
Seems like I need to file an 83(B) election but I also need to understand if I need to do anything else.
Anything outside of consulting an attorney I should be aware of with receiving common stock? This is my first experience with receiving a stock gift.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:51 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
All I know is my old neighbor quit his job at Amazon because he wasn't happy.
Got hired by a company that couldn't afford to pay him what he made at Amazon, but offered him a lot of stock as compensation.
Facebook comes in and purchases Occulus.
Neighbor becomes a multi-millionaire over night.
Got hired by a company that couldn't afford to pay him what he made at Amazon, but offered him a lot of stock as compensation.
Facebook comes in and purchases Occulus.
Neighbor becomes a multi-millionaire over night.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:57 pm to guzziguy
There isn't much else you can do other than 1) file the election, 2) understand what you own and what the upside is and under what circumstances that would bear fruit, and 3) be thankful I guess.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:11 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
To understand the legal language in your common stock contract, it’s best to consult a business or corporate lawyer who can guide you through the terms and help determine if you need to file an 83(B) election. Filing this election within 30 days could help you reduce your future tax liability if the stock is subject to vesting. Beyond legal advice, be mindful of a few key aspects. First, there may be immediate tax implications based on the stock’s current value, so it’s worth consulting a tax professional. Additionally, check if the stock includes voting rights and whether there are any restrictions on selling or transferring it. Finally, since the stock’s value depends on the company’s performance, it’s important to assess the company’s financial health to understand the potential long-term benefit of the stock.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:46 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
FIrst off, it's not a gift... it's compensation, and there will be tax consequences.
It is likely subject to a vesting schedule. As the stock vests, you will have compensation income for the value of the vesting stock. Depending upon the schedule, this could be monthly, quarterly, annual, etc. Whatever the stock value is on that vesting day, that's what is income to you. At that point, you officially "own" the stock.
An 83(b) election means you pick up income at the time of the grant, not the time of the vest, and you pay tax on the value of the stock at grant time.
Whatever value you pay tax on, that becomes your cost basis in the stock, which is part of your future capital gain when you sell the stock down the road.
Ab 83(b) election can make sense if you think there will be a lot of value growth between the time of grant and the time of vest. You would rather pay tax at capital gains rate, down the road ath sale time, than pay tax at ordinary rates sooner.
For example, say value at grant is $1, value at vest is $10, and value at sale is $50.
If you do NOT have an 83(b) election, nothing happens at grant date, vest day you pay ordinary income tax on $10, and you pay capital gains tax on $40 at the time of sale (assuming you hold the stock at least one year).
If you DO have an 83(b) election, you pay ordinay income tax on $1 at grant date, nothing happens at vest date, and you pay capital gains tax on $49 at the time of sale.
Overall, you save the tax rate differential between capital gains rates and ordinary rates on that $9.
There are two risks of making an 83(b) election, both of which might be considerable.
1) The value fo the stock goes DOWN, not UP, between the grant date and the vest date. Thus, you paid ordinary tax rates on more income than you needed to.
2) You never actually vest in the stock. The company blows up, you leave the company, etc.
In both situations you would have some capital losses. But if paying capital gains tax is better than paying ordinary tax, it also holds true that capital loss deductions are not as valuable, as the tax rate savings is lower, and because of the limitaions in deducting capital losses.
83(b) can be a great tool if the stock is an an early state, pre-IPO company with a very current low value, and expection of much higher values down the road. If the current value of the stock is pennies, then even if you don't vest, you probably haven't lost much. The high end benefit might be worth the low end risk.
It is likely subject to a vesting schedule. As the stock vests, you will have compensation income for the value of the vesting stock. Depending upon the schedule, this could be monthly, quarterly, annual, etc. Whatever the stock value is on that vesting day, that's what is income to you. At that point, you officially "own" the stock.
An 83(b) election means you pick up income at the time of the grant, not the time of the vest, and you pay tax on the value of the stock at grant time.
Whatever value you pay tax on, that becomes your cost basis in the stock, which is part of your future capital gain when you sell the stock down the road.
Ab 83(b) election can make sense if you think there will be a lot of value growth between the time of grant and the time of vest. You would rather pay tax at capital gains rate, down the road ath sale time, than pay tax at ordinary rates sooner.
For example, say value at grant is $1, value at vest is $10, and value at sale is $50.
If you do NOT have an 83(b) election, nothing happens at grant date, vest day you pay ordinary income tax on $10, and you pay capital gains tax on $40 at the time of sale (assuming you hold the stock at least one year).
If you DO have an 83(b) election, you pay ordinay income tax on $1 at grant date, nothing happens at vest date, and you pay capital gains tax on $49 at the time of sale.
Overall, you save the tax rate differential between capital gains rates and ordinary rates on that $9.
There are two risks of making an 83(b) election, both of which might be considerable.
1) The value fo the stock goes DOWN, not UP, between the grant date and the vest date. Thus, you paid ordinary tax rates on more income than you needed to.
2) You never actually vest in the stock. The company blows up, you leave the company, etc.
In both situations you would have some capital losses. But if paying capital gains tax is better than paying ordinary tax, it also holds true that capital loss deductions are not as valuable, as the tax rate savings is lower, and because of the limitaions in deducting capital losses.
83(b) can be a great tool if the stock is an an early state, pre-IPO company with a very current low value, and expection of much higher values down the road. If the current value of the stock is pennies, then even if you don't vest, you probably haven't lost much. The high end benefit might be worth the low end risk.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 3:45 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Tips:
1) Don't sell the stock before any potential "bad news" goes public. That's insider trading.
2) If you do sell the stock (>$100k) before you leave the company and you are Senior Management, your CEO will get a report and know. Things can get awkward.
1) Don't sell the stock before any potential "bad news" goes public. That's insider trading.
2) If you do sell the stock (>$100k) before you leave the company and you are Senior Management, your CEO will get a report and know. Things can get awkward.
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