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PPI comes in cooler than expected

Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:52 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71709 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:52 am




Seems like 2 rate cuts are now being priced in
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 7:55 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28522 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:12 am to
June and July will be the better indicators. I know we have a 25% price increase in my industry going into effect next Monday.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88350 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:17 am to
How is Too Late not playing politics?

What else does he need. When the jobs teport geta revised down by 30k next mobth he will have no more excuses. He said tariffs were inflationary after previously saying they were a one time hike

Cut the fricking rates Jerome
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59187 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:31 am to
25% across the board? That seems awful chainsawish, of course I don’t know your industry.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2336 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:36 am to
How is Too Late not playing politics?

What else does he need. When the jobs teport geta revised down by 30k next mobth he will have no more excuses. He said tariffs were inflationary after previously saying they were a one time hike

Cut the fricking rates Jerome
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Not sure I have seen a poster that is as consistently wrong as you. On the Money board. The Rant and others are unfair comparisons with the cra-cras on those.

Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55822 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Seems like 2 rate cuts are now being priced in


If we go by the average revision, the revised May jobs number will come in somewhere from 100k-80k (~75k is what many consider to be the break-even point for keeping up with attrition). With CPI and PPI now coming in lower than expectations, it's reasonable to expect PCE to do the same (expectation is something like .15%, I think).

We might get a .25 cut this month (very low chance), but more likely they're going to hold back due to inflation fears over "muh tariffs". That said, we may get some positive comments indicating a greater chance of a cut in July or September (depending mainly on if their tariff fearpr0n is realized). If we don't get a cut in July but Q2 GDP comes in negative (ie: the short-hand definition of recession), you can bet we'll get one in September.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71709 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:40 am to
quote:


June and July will be the better indicators. I know we have a 25% price increase in my industry going into effect next Monday.



A 25% price increase seems *insane*. Is this due to something besides tariffs?

Unless 100% of your company’s costs are facing tariffs, what could possibly justify a 25% price increase?

Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2336 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:47 am to
Hard to predict the tariff situation to know the environment several months out. Is the roller-coaster over?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28522 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:47 am to
From the largest domestic supplier: "The global inflationary challenges that we are experiencing continue to create extraordinary pressures on our economy and in turn our business....Despite these on-going efforts, increasing raw materials, logistics, electricity and labor costs necessitate price increases on the following flat glass products, effective with shipments beginning on June 16, 2025."

Two other suppliers have followed. We are awaiting the fourth and final big player, but history says they'll follow suit.

Historically, glass price increases are 8-10% at a time. We had a massive covid increase of 40%.


Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7619 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:25 am to
The first section 232 expansion was not a big deal, but this followup 25% additional increase is about to wreck prices of anything using aluminum.

The funny part is the domestic market price (Midwest premium) went up, you guessed it, just about 25%, and extruders in the states are compitulating and we are seeing the first conversion price increase letters.

So you buy all your aluminum in the US? Owell you get a 25% increase too, shoulda bought in the US...oh wait.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 9:26 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88350 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:57 am to
Please provide a coherent answer to why specifically im wrong stalker?

I figured

This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55822 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

Is the roller-coaster over?


Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2336 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:50 pm to
Please provide a coherent answer to why specifically im wrong stalker?

I figured
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The federal rate is best managed by not having knee-jerk reactions. There is not a good case to change them this month. More data and patience are the correct path. The economy is volatile.

You believe because the previous month's data is not reflecting inflationary pressures is a reason to make a conclusion. Another mistake. Timing, the postponements, the fact that businesses did everything they could to purchase ahead all are factors. Had the threatened tariffs been left in place, you would have received an education. I don't think I will invest any more of my time on this with someone that doesn't believe tariffs are inflationary.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88350 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:46 am to
So just a wall of stupid. I am always right
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